https://www.pv-magazine.com/2025/04/17/ ... -159300013Dutch power utilities Eneco and Delta Energie said they will offer lower electricity tariffs to consumers – regardless of whether they own PV systems – who shift their consumption during peak solar generation hours.
Dutch utilities to test lower tariffs during solar peaks
Dutch utilities to test lower tariffs during solar peaks
While we've been trailing surplus wind generation tariff's the Dutch are doing similar with solar!
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Re: Dutch utilities to test lower tariffs during solar peaks
They have already been doing this for a while.
They tried to penalise folk for exporting energy to the grid during peak solar but
so the government backed down and tried to find another way for folk to draw from the grid at times of over production.
They offered time of use tariffs where drawing from the grid in peak sun was negative and evening rates was higher than standard in an attempt to balance the grid using peoples battery storage.
Holland was also one of the first countries in the world to realise their electrical wires were overheating due to current draw from EVs.
Holland is also going to start charging car tax based on weight in the coming years. The incentives for EVs have also been removed.
Holland is a victim of its own net zero campaign in many respects. They have royally punished the farmers at every turn possible.
They tried to penalise folk for exporting energy to the grid during peak solar but
so the government backed down and tried to find another way for folk to draw from the grid at times of over production.They offered time of use tariffs where drawing from the grid in peak sun was negative and evening rates was higher than standard in an attempt to balance the grid using peoples battery storage.
Holland was also one of the first countries in the world to realise their electrical wires were overheating due to current draw from EVs.
Holland is also going to start charging car tax based on weight in the coming years. The incentives for EVs have also been removed.
Holland is a victim of its own net zero campaign in many respects. They have royally punished the farmers at every turn possible.
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0.8kW balcony solar.
6kw Panasonic air to air heat pump for downstairs.
2 WBS. Stovax 8kw and 5kw Morso squirrel
Rointe D series in 2 bedrooms and bathroom.
Aiming to go fully electric...
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Re: Dutch utilities to test lower tariffs during solar peaks
Seems like there's a few lessons for the uk to learn from them then! As for sure over generation is planned in the years ahead here and with most other countries attempting net zero also.Fueltheburn wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 8:34 pm They have already been doing this for a while.
They tried to penalise folk for exporting energy to the grid during peak solar but
They offered time of use tariffs where drawing from the grid in peak sun was negative and evening rates was higher than standard in an attempt to balance the grid using peoples battery storage.
Holland was also one of the first countries in the world to realise their electrical wires were overheating due to current draw from EVs.
Holland is also going to start charging car tax based on weight in the coming years. The incentives for EVs have also been removed.
Holland is a victim of its own net zero campaign in many respects. They have royally punished the farmers at every turn possible.
Re: Dutch utilities to test lower tariffs during solar peaks
The Dutch government really has had it in for farmers over the last few years. Something to do with nitrogen has been the stated reason (not sure it translates correctly). Seems to be more ideological than scientific.
We too are in for a tough environment as people with home solar arrays. Imagine negative prices when you’re already producing more than you can use! Surely the flat 15p all-day every-day cannot last much longer? Hopefully it isn’t just scrapped. Hopefully we get paid good money for exporting during peak on great days to compensate when it goes!
We too are in for a tough environment as people with home solar arrays. Imagine negative prices when you’re already producing more than you can use! Surely the flat 15p all-day every-day cannot last much longer? Hopefully it isn’t just scrapped. Hopefully we get paid good money for exporting during peak on great days to compensate when it goes!
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3x 380W JA Solar panels (1.14kWp)
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LuxPower inverter/charger
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Re: Dutch utilities to test lower tariffs during solar peaks
I am thinking that for as long as we have gas prices setting electricity prices then we will have 15p export rates. When the solar duck curve becomes established and prices drop to near zero in the middle of the day is when things will change - by 2030 perhaps as thats what the whole industry and gov seems to be aiming for
Also there will not be a significant number of consumers with PV and batts gaming the system and it sure gives Octopus publicity.
Perhaps not fully understanding how we get the electricity retail prices but i suspect that using domestic exported leccy saves on transmision costs and markups along the way and it could be that the wholesale costs plus all the othere extra costs comes to more than the 15p ??
"The profit margin on domestic electricity supply in the UK, for the "Big Six" energy companies, has been around 3.4% to 4.0% based on EBIT (Earnings Before Interest and Tax) over a five-year period." therefore the total cost price of the leccy being supplied to our doors is only a few pence less than the retail price and well above the 15p. Buy from us at 15p and sell to our neighbour at 24p with no costs seems good business.
Also there will not be a significant number of consumers with PV and batts gaming the system and it sure gives Octopus publicity.
Perhaps not fully understanding how we get the electricity retail prices but i suspect that using domestic exported leccy saves on transmision costs and markups along the way and it could be that the wholesale costs plus all the othere extra costs comes to more than the 15p ??
"The profit margin on domestic electricity supply in the UK, for the "Big Six" energy companies, has been around 3.4% to 4.0% based on EBIT (Earnings Before Interest and Tax) over a five-year period." therefore the total cost price of the leccy being supplied to our doors is only a few pence less than the retail price and well above the 15p. Buy from us at 15p and sell to our neighbour at 24p with no costs seems good business.