Solar PV advice

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Stinsy
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Re: Solar PV advice

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Richard77 wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 9:01 pm If I go the post route and use 70mm² to the inverter, I suppose the 2x 35mm² would have originally fitted. So wouldn't need to go down the post route in the first place.

I really could do with finding out what size cable physically the 8kw SunSynk can take thickness wise. :whako: (seems it's 70mm²)

Update edit: maybe 2x 35mm² will fit.

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What's everyone's thoughts on DC isolator between battery and inverter? I'm sure I read somewhere they are not recommended any longer.
This is one of those almost religious topics. You'll get very strong opinions on both sides!

You should be aware that every connection point is a source of heat/failure. A "Frankenstein" switch-fuse introduces a whole load of potential sources of heat. And breaking DC under load is no joke, so be very careful to source high quality components and overspecify (this isn't the time for Amazon/eBay).

While a point of isolation can make maintenance less perilous, there is no way around working with live conductors when installing solar/batteries.

I would as a first option connect both batteries to the inverter. However if the inverter cannot accommodate 2x cables then you need a junction. You don't need 2x 35mm² joining to a 70mm², that isn;t how it works. You can do the whole thing in 35mm² unless the cable from the junction to the inverter is long enough to require a bigger cable for voltage drop.

12V Planet has a good voltage drop calculator. you want to be below 3% for the whole system (AC side plus DC side) and some people allocate this as 1% DC and 2% AC. However, you really want your AC voltage drop as low as possible because it avoids your inverter switching off in high grid voltage situations (that are really common in the UK. I'd still keep the DC side below 1% for efficiency reasons.
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Re: Solar PV advice

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Colin Deng wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 9:27 am Parallel connection should be like this
Sorry for not answer in time

Got a busy weekend :oO:
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Thanks Colin...
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Re: Solar PV advice

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Stinsy wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:51 am
Richard77 wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 9:01 pm If I go the post route and use 70mm² to the inverter, I suppose the 2x 35mm² would have originally fitted. So wouldn't need to go down the post route in the first place.

I really could do with finding out what size cable physically the 8kw SunSynk can take thickness wise. :whako: (seems it's 70mm²)

Update edit: maybe 2x 35mm² will fit.

Image

What's everyone's thoughts on DC isolator between battery and inverter? I'm sure I read somewhere they are not recommended any longer.
This is one of those almost religious topics. You'll get very strong opinions on both sides!

You should be aware that every connection point is a source of heat/failure. A "Frankenstein" switch-fuse introduces a whole load of potential sources of heat. And breaking DC under load is no joke, so be very careful to source high quality components and overspecify (this isn't the time for Amazon/eBay).

While a point of isolation can make maintenance less perilous, there is no way around working with live conductors when installing solar/batteries.

I would as a first option connect both batteries to the inverter. However if the inverter cannot accommodate 2x cables then you need a junction. You don't need 2x 35mm² joining to a 70mm², that isn;t how it works. You can do the whole thing in 35mm² unless the cable from the junction to the inverter is long enough to require a bigger cable for voltage drop.

12V Planet has a good voltage drop calculator. you want to be below 3% for the whole system (AC side plus DC side) and some people allocate this as 1% DC and 2% AC. However, you really want your AC voltage drop as low as possible because it avoids your inverter switching off in high grid voltage situations (that are really common in the UK. I'd still keep the DC side below 1% for efficiency reasons.
Thanks for the detailed info Stinsy...

Just had a look at the 12v planet calculator... Not 100% sure of what values to put in... :whako-teapot:

Much appreciated... So is a DC isolator not required by UK regulations?
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Richard77 wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:14 am
Stinsy wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:51 am
Richard77 wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 9:01 pm If I go the post route and use 70mm² to the inverter, I suppose the 2x 35mm² would have originally fitted. So wouldn't need to go down the post route in the first place.

I really could do with finding out what size cable physically the 8kw SunSynk can take thickness wise. :whako: (seems it's 70mm²)

Update edit: maybe 2x 35mm² will fit.

Image

What's everyone's thoughts on DC isolator between battery and inverter? I'm sure I read somewhere they are not recommended any longer.
This is one of those almost religious topics. You'll get very strong opinions on both sides!

You should be aware that every connection point is a source of heat/failure. A "Frankenstein" switch-fuse introduces a whole load of potential sources of heat. And breaking DC under load is no joke, so be very careful to source high quality components and overspecify (this isn't the time for Amazon/eBay).

While a point of isolation can make maintenance less perilous, there is no way around working with live conductors when installing solar/batteries.

I would as a first option connect both batteries to the inverter. However if the inverter cannot accommodate 2x cables then you need a junction. You don't need 2x 35mm² joining to a 70mm², that isn;t how it works. You can do the whole thing in 35mm² unless the cable from the junction to the inverter is long enough to require a bigger cable for voltage drop.

12V Planet has a good voltage drop calculator. you want to be below 3% for the whole system (AC side plus DC side) and some people allocate this as 1% DC and 2% AC. However, you really want your AC voltage drop as low as possible because it avoids your inverter switching off in high grid voltage situations (that are really common in the UK. I'd still keep the DC side below 1% for efficiency reasons.
Thanks for the detailed info Stinsy...

Just had a look at the 12v planet calculator... Not 100% sure of what values to put in... :whako-teapot:

Much appreciated... So is a DC isolator not required by UK regulations?
Which regulation? I'm not aware of any regulation requiring a means of isolation between battery and inverter. I might be wrong though.

Here is an example of some values I put in the 12V planet calculator:


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I couldn't be bothered to scroll up and look at what size inverter you were planning on so I banged in 100A which is 4.8kW at 48V. And I don't know ho far away you're planning on having the batteries from the inverter so I put in 2m because (IMO) that is the maximum reasonable distance. If you need a longer cable then the answer is to rethink and move them closer not install a bigger cable!
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Re: Solar PV advice

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Thanks very much Stinsy.. sorry for wasting your time though.... I'm a numpty!!

I thought I must have been doing something wrong as I was getting voltage drops of 90%.

I was putting 0.35 instead of 35 for cable size :whako:

So I was on the right path... I think (unless you take the voltage and Ah details from inverter rather than battery?)

48V battery
200Ah max charge/discharge
Original cables that came with batteries are 2 metres long. The batteries will be directly below the inverter.

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Re: Solar PV advice

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Richard77 wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:43 pm Thanks very much Stinsy.. sorry for wasting your time though.... I'm a numpty!!

I thought I must have been doing something wrong as I was getting voltage drops of 90%.

I was putting 0.35 instead of 35 for cable size :whako:

So I was on the right path... I think (unless you take the voltage and Ah details from inverter rather than battery?)

48V battery
200Ah max charge/discharge
Original cables that came with batteries are 2 metres long. The batteries will be directly below the inverter.

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This is nothing to do with the Ah capacity of the batteries. It is the number of Amps you're squeezing through the cables.

100A at 48V is 4800W
200A at 48V is 9600W
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Re: Solar PV advice

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Battery isolation is mentioned in the Electrical energy storage system code of practice.

Does have a note to say not always required…
Probably if the battery has isolation already built in,like the fogstar 15kW battery has…
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Re: Solar PV advice

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Thanks Stinsy and AGT.

These batteries don't have any extra isolation built in... Just power on/off button.

Can anyone recommend a manufacturer or online supplier for the type of isolator switch that i would need that would accept 2x 35mm² positive cables and 2x 35mm² negative cables from the batteries?

Or would have to use power distribution posts / busbar before the isolator so that only 1 positive and negative cable go into the isolator?

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Re: Solar PV advice

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Manufacturer instructions should be followed, so worth asking Colin for info first of all.

Check out RS Components for isolators that also have fuses like mersen
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Do a search for "NH1 Fused Switch Disconnect".
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