Idiot's guide to a self build battery

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Re: Idiot's guide to a self build battery

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Richard77 wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:43 pm
resybaby wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:24 pm Have my Pylontechs in a self made wardrobe looking type of enclosure in my garage, no hearing or insulation but im down in Cornwall so rarely very cold. Coldest my batteries have dropped to is 12c.
Have seen a few people on the Net use celotex type PIR to make a boxing for batteries, so might be worth exploring that as another option?
Thanks....definitely a creative idea and one worth looking at. Would have to be a temporary enclosure I presume though, otherwise would risk overheating them when it's warmer?
Would think so, but a few slabs tapped togeather easily dismantlable for those warmer months.
I often wonder how batteries in the loft cope with the heat? - sweat buckets in my loft in the summer.
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Re: Idiot's guide to a self build battery

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Mine live in a plastic shed outside the cottage, there's a layer of insulation around the inside of the shed and we get typical temps down to 4 degrees, in the winter I pop a frost tube heater in there running from the backup load plug point and if the temp dips below four degrees the heater comes on and keeps things above zero, doesn't often happen as we are coastal like Resybaby but the tube heater gives me a bit of insurance/ reassurance.

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Re: Idiot's guide to a self build battery

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Richard77 wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:38 pm Hi....

I'm considering getting two ready assembled cased 15kwh batteries from Colin. They will be housed in the detached garage.

The garage is single skin concrete block. Metal roof tiles. It will have an insulated roller shutter garage door on it (eventually!). No insulation inside the garage. (Picture below)

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Was contemplating getting a heated function added into the batteries in case the temperature in the garage affects the batteries performance/longevity.

Has anyone got any experiences with cold winter months in northern england and whether the batteries performance is affected if left in uninsulated building?

Option 1: insulate garage, no heated function added to batteries.
Option 2: don't insulate garage, add heated function to batteries.
Option 3: don't insulate garage, no heated function added to batteries and don't worry about it.

What option do you recommend?

Was also thinking of putting a few solar panels on the garage roof. It's a low pitch (approx 12°) south facing. Usable space on each side of roof is about 5.5m x 1.6m (shame it would struggle to fit panels vertically)? So maybe 3 horizontally each side and 6 total? Dunno if it would be worthwhile though.

Thanks for your help... Much appreciated.

Fill the roof with PV!! I just re roofed
Mine and added 200mm onto one side and that allowed me to get 9x250 watt panels.

Fogstar that I’m going for have the built in heaters in the battery enclosure but a small greenhouse heater will stop any low temps affecting batteries.
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Re: Idiot's guide to a self build battery

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AGT wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 6:24 pm
Fill the roof with PV!! I just re roofed
Mine and added 200mm onto one side and that allowed me to get 9x250 watt panels.

Fogstar that I’m going for have the built in heaters in the battery enclosure but a small greenhouse heater will stop any low temps affecting batteries.
I was thinking about the garage roof first and then when can afford to, come up with a plan for main roof. Probably got four different areas could put them on, so it's a complicated one. I might create a thread in the PV section for any ideas/tips.

How big are those 250w panels AGT?

I was hoping I could have got 5x 400+w (10 total) ones vertically on each side of the garage roof, but can't seem to find any that would fit. Probably the maximum length I could fit would be between 1.5m-1.6m (probably closer to 1.5m) vertically and 5 could be too wide to fit too. Shame roof wasn't a tiny bit bigger.

The roof has metal tiles which won't be able to come up without damaging them, so not sure how could mount the panels.

Colin can add heating function to the batteries I was looking at, at an extra cost. Funds are tight enough as it is though.

I had an installer come back with a quote of £1950 to install the batteries and inverter today (assuming the garage already had everything wired up with new consumer unit, etc). Unsure if it's reasonable or not?
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L1650x990 was the recent panel purchased about £25 a panel second hand
Just fitted mine on unistrut. Great stuff fix anything to anything!
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Re: Idiot's guide to a self build battery

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If the DIY battery, can modify or add new function to the DIY battery
The already build battery , that is not easy to add the new function on it

This is the heated pad that we add to our already build battery for the low temperature
Just the pre-heated function when you charge the battery at the low temperature
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Colin Deng wrote: Tue Sep 24, 2024 9:47 am If the DIY battery, can modify or add new function to the DIY battery
The already build battery , that is not easy to add the new function on it

This is the heated pad that we add to our already build battery for the low temperature
Just the pre-heated function when you charge the battery at the low temperature
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Looks good Colin.... :)

I have just ordered 2x 15kwh batteries with the heating function from Colin.

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Will send some pictures when they arrive and let you all know how they are!

Thanks Colin.
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Re: Idiot's guide to a self build battery

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I used Chatgpt to summarise this thread, not having hundreds of hours to read in detail :D

It seems to have done an OK job. I asked it to include suggested suppliers. What do you think? Can delete the post if not helpful.

Building a DIY LiFePO₄ battery storage system requires careful planning, quality components, and adherence to safety protocols. Below is a step-by-step guide, incorporating supplier suggestions to assist you in sourcing the necessary materials.

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## **Step 1: Define Your Goals and Requirements**

- **Determine Capacity Needs:** Decide on the desired capacity (e.g., 48V, 280Ah).
- **System Integration:** Identify how the DIY battery will connect to existing systems (e.g., Pylontech US2000 batteries).
- **Depth of Discharge (DOD):** Aim for at least 90% DOD for efficiency.

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## **Step 2: Source Components**

- **Battery Cells:** Purchase high-quality prismatic LiFePO₄ cells.
- **Suggested Suppliers:**
- **Fogstar Batteries:** Offers authentic EVE prismatic cells, including the EVE LF280K 280Ah cells.
- **Offgrid Power Solutions:** Stocks EVE 304Ah 3.2V LiFePO₄ battery cells in the UK.
- **LiFe Batteries:** Supplies LiFePO₄ batteries suitable for energy storage applications.

- **Battery Management System (BMS):** Choose a 15s active balancer to ensure voltage consistency across cells.
- **Suggested Suppliers:**
- **Altertek:** Specializes in battery management systems compatible with various lithium-ion chemistries.
- **BMS Technologies Ltd:** Offers a range of BMS solutions suitable for LiFePO₄ batteries.

- **Wiring and Connectors:** Use high-quality cables, busbars, and connectors rated for high current.
- **Suggested Suppliers:**
- **Battery Masters:** Provides a variety of connectors and accessories for battery systems.

- **Safety Tools:** Invest in insulated (VDE) tools to prevent short circuits.
- **Suggested Suppliers:**
- **Local Electrical Supply Stores:** Many local suppliers offer VDE-certified insulated tools suitable for electrical work.

- **Battery Monitor (Optional):** Consider adding monitoring tools for individual cell voltage and diagnostics.
- **Suggested Suppliers:**
- **Victron Energy Distributors:** Victron offers battery monitoring systems compatible with LiFePO₄ setups.

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## **Step 3: Plan Your Battery Pack Design**

- **Series Configuration:** Wire the cells in series (15s configuration) to achieve a 48V system.
- **Physical Assembly:**
- Tape or strap cells tightly together to prevent swelling.
- Ensure proper ventilation and spacing between cells.
- **Enclosure:** Use a sturdy, insulated enclosure to house the battery pack.

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## **Step 4: Pre-Assemble and Test Cells**

- **Voltage Matching:** Ensure all cells have the same initial voltage before assembling.
- **Check Cell Health:** Verify internal resistance and capacity of each cell.
- **Initial Charge:** Perform an initial charge cycle to bring all cells to an equal state of charge.

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## **Step 5: Assemble the Battery Pack**

- **Connect Cells in Series:** Wire the cells together with busbars, ensuring tight and clean connections.
- **Install the BMS:** Connect the BMS to each cell to monitor voltage and manage balancing.
- **Secure Wiring:** Ensure all cables are properly insulated and secured.

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## **Step 6: Perform Safety Checks**

- **Check Connections:** Inspect all connections for tightness and signs of overheating.
- **Measure Voltage:** Verify the overall voltage of the assembled pack.
- **Insulation Test:** Ensure no exposed wires or terminals are at risk of short circuits.

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## **Step 7: Initial Testing and Calibration**

- **Charge the Pack:** Perform a full charge while monitoring individual cell voltages.
- **Test Under Load:** Verify the battery's performance under a controlled load.
- **Monitor Balance:** Ensure the BMS or active balancer keeps all cells within acceptable voltage ranges.

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## **Step 8: Integrate with Existing System**

- **Connection Method:** Safely integrate the DIY pack with your existing Pylontech system or inverter.
- **Configure Settings:** Adjust charging and discharging parameters on your inverter or charge controller.
- **Verify Communication (if applicable):** Ensure the system recognizes the new battery pack.

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## **Step 9: Monitor Performance**

- **Use Monitoring Tools:** Regularly check voltages, current flow, and overall battery health.
- **Perform Maintenance:** Periodically inspect connections and BMS functionality.
- **Balance Cells (if needed):** Manually intervene if cell balancing issues arise.

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## **Step 10: Safety Precautions and Ongoing Maintenance**

- **Keep an Eye on Temperatures:** Ensure batteries do not overheat during operation.
- **Regular Inspections:** Check for swelling, leaks, or abnormal voltage readings.
- **Emergency Plan:** Have protocols for disconnecting or isolating the battery in case of faults.

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**Key Takeaways:**

- **Safety First:** Always use insulated tools and proper protective equipment.
- **Balancing is Crucial:** An active balancer or BMS is essential for long-term performance.
- **Quality Matters:** Invest in high-quality cells and connectors to avoid failures.
- **Community Support:** Online forums like the Camelot Forum can provide invaluable troubleshooting advice.

By following these steps and sourcing components from reputable suppliers, you can build a reliable and efficient 48V LiFePO₄ battery storage system while minimizing risks and ensuring long-term performance.
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Re: Idiot's guide to a self build battery

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That in general looks like not a bad summary from Chatgpt though I would include Colin in the suppliers list as several people on here have bought cells from him and found them to be very good and most pack builders would be going for a 16S battery.
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Very true. I've just been I touch with him myself. I note my post has a wee warning sign beside it. I wonder if it automatically looks for bot or AI stuff? Clever feature if so.
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