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[Yuff]

I have a friend who works for Mercedes and he believes this is a game changer in terms of electric use.
He feels there is no way electric will be anywhere near 34p/kw by year end.
Also I believe Tesla were against this up until last year when they agreed to do a software update to allow bi-directional charging.
Posters on here know way more than I do but, having put heat pumps solar etc in recently I need way more capacity, via battieries, to make use of off peak tariffs.
There is generally 60kw of battery sitting on our drive, that would be very handy to access.

[Joeboy]

I consider it an absolute travesty that there are vast volumes of EV's on the road now and only a limited number of them are V2H or G.

It has to be one of if not THE biggest dropped ball in RE history.

I'd be interested to hear from the Tesla lads on here as to the progress of V2G/H for their particular models?

It was an absolute visceral turn off a couple of years ago when I realised I was being told what I could do with my upcoming EV battery. At that time anyone making their Tesla bi directional was an instant voiding of the warranty. Its good to hear that this may have changed but not so good when you think of the 100,000's of EV's out there and their lifespan so far?

There is a tremendous and quite amusing satisfaction in plugging the washing machine into the car.

This from Google
'According to the latest vehicle stats, the electric car market is booming. EV car sales increased by 76.3% in 2021, and there are an estimated 660,000 electric cars (EVs) on the road in the UK and over 445,000 plug-in hybrids (PHEVs), as of the end of December 2022.'

At an average of 30kWh per EV storage capacity that 19,800,000kWh. It would align with the nodal goal too. Higher the population density the more EV's therein.

[Yuff]

Would that affect the aerodynamics, of the car, dragging around a washing machine

[Joeboy]

Would that affect the aerodynamics, of the car, dragging around a washing machine

Yep, noisy too. You want to hear the freezer too.

[Joeboy]

It would be nice to see lamp posts modified for low rate EV charging.

[nowty]

It would be nice to see lamp posts modified for low rate EV charging.

Plenty of them in London.

[Mr Gus]

The smart meter bebacle rolls on, a guy had 4 fitted one after the other, none would work due to his tariff type,yet the people who get paid tax monies follow the govt screw up from what, a decade back now? ..no end in sight with such little competence, you really think this is going to be anything less than a damp squib people?

If brighton & hove have lamp post chargers (which they do) the charge is not fast enough for the 95% of miseducated people who are being told you need a 7kWh charge point minimum, ..a big tide to turn.

On wifes visits there the chargers are / were typically priced the same or a bit lower than fast chargers, so of very little value when visiting, yet these were the majority of chargers wirh nearby new shell charger near nevill rd a few miles back from the seafront, so much so that even when working & stayingdown in brighton for several days at a time were not worth using according to the wife who was not necessarily office bound.

Cant wait for the fist fights of ownership ..nor the local govt giving installed stock of granny plug equivalent street chargers that will block both roads AND pavements (car cables, & the charging infrastructure, be it pop up or otherwise) + pavement parking chargers...

When working over Bournemouth way, the big marina car parks didn't have any chargers, the brighton ish tesla superchargers finished up london way (brighton was "coming soon" all through 2021, so she did actually make use of a low seafront chargeraway from the hotel & park overnight paying, parking (i think) & again charges that really would have been better off on a garage fast charger.. the hotel not having enough parking space after charging was the deciding factor, involving 10 min walk back to the car rain lashed..

Slow charging works well at home on your own tariff, but street furniture gets abused, if the chargers die, what is built in as a LEGAL repair time (if making folk dependent on them, & too lazy to charge elsewhere? ..if so low then is that one per house on a street ...no, pie in sky, if its 1 in a street & a car needs charging every night for 8 hours & 30 house, plus 45 cars ...do the math as to angry door knocking & set to's.

[Joeboy]

It would be nice to see lamp posts modified for low rate EV charging.

Plenty of them in London.

Aye, good to hear.

[Mr Gus]

A b&h lamp post charger may be 3 kWh delivery (better than a granny charger for sure), getting near to 50% of a really useful 7kWh home charger sure, but..
A as a non resident..no app, painful addition to then..
Locate a "everyone welcome" & vacant charger.
(some are residents only, presumably paying councils monies to park in their streets fees, ..drama, council call outs)

As a result of this wife said f*** it, nevill rd supercharger (after 60 mins looking) then drive & park elsewhere because nothing was available when checking, ..this a london bolt on seaside city with a decent income, compare that to up north, east, west etc., b&h has 200? street chargers I think, the lamp post charers as previous threads are highish up, jubilee clipped onto lamp post so minimally invasive compared to pop up utilising pre-existing street furniture.

Just dug out the b&h site...

https://electricbrighton.com/

70% of "hug a plug" sign ups (620) have an ev apparently, but no way to charge at home.. (434)
90% of registrants who'd like to own an ev have nowhere to charge it..

What are expectations vs actuality when big contracts get put out ..rugby scrum?
With a lamp post unit it looks potentially very simple to swap out, for design led w****** comps like we have nowadays that come to naff all (pylons being an exception) "rising street furniture" causes problems & is expensive to service ..see "bollards" as a maintenance crews thoughts on Cambridge city centre ones..

With a lamp post unit comes the opportunity (if built in) to clip hang some spare cable roadside, thus less potential pedestrian interference (trip hazard)

Thats a city, we have 2 lamp posts in a cul de sac based on 1970's light planning, ..but we have some off road parking, ..but lamp posts arent one per house (nor should they be) 10+ houses, see the potential for that in a city scenario ..way cheaper though, ..you'd really need a costly get to know your neighbour post charging campaign to induce a sharing is caring attitude. ..but well viral petrol station fuel shortage whispers ..weve all seen & laughed, it is a large element of greedy human behaviour that I fear for a scheme that doesn't pander to everyone namely the beligerent / "special" folk who park badly at schools everyday & screw you because "my kids"

Add to that "cables are so heavy" brigade ( yeah a petrol pump nozzle is never contextually acknowledged as familiar & similar) agenda led bs to overcome & you will have councillors who are anti as well & put stoppers on whatever is to come under planning laws / unsightly & other bs, ..this will be a big push pull headache for years to come.

Remember we are in a charger desert here, our council put in chargers years ago, didnt maintain them, didnt want them, mothballed them "broken" tblamed everyone else for them not working, then gave them away, over 10 years theyve been working for maybe 1.5 now, ..& thats only half the painful story.

maintenance contracts will result in defunct units, or working *mostly* but stung on price for "convenience" & vat on top!

Gets us nearer pump prices & likely "owned" once more by fossil fuel companies & offshore conglomerates.

UNLESS, councils invest in renewables & commit to feed fair price charging in perpetuity, via investment in town solar type car parking & grid battery chargers (dundee) ..costly & unlike most car parks are ncp, or crappy britannia whose contracts may well cause more problems.

Not holding out for an easy ride on this.

[Mr Gus]

The summer 2022 newsltter also shows energy unit price rises


EB Charging costs increase in line with wholesale prices
Last month prices at Brighton's on-street charge points, operated by EB Charging, increased in line with wholesale electricity prices. Lamp post and Fast Chargers have increased from 26p/kWh to 39p/kWh, and Rapid Chargers have increased from 27p/kWh to 44p/kWh.

Many operators have increased their prices multiple times in recent months, with EB Charging in Brighton being one of the last operators to update their prices.

For a comparison of popular public charging operator prices, please see the Leccy.net Public Charge Network Comparison.


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& this was interesting..

Local EV ownership update
Government data for Q1 2022 shows a continued increase for plug-in and battery electric vehicles, with ownership numbers showing 1069 pure Battery-Electric Vehicles and 591 Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicles. Battery-Electric continues to outpace Plug-in Hybrid.

You can see these numbers on our page about EV ownership figures for Brighton & Hove.


Bearing in mind seafont length, & madeira drive with its seasonal "volks link" id have anticipated a seafront charging hub with a semi decent charge rate, & maybe 3hrs parking giving you time as a visitor to use the seafront area, park & have a decent charge % then move on, with a fastish ride on the railway back towards the pier as an option

The now 298+ chargers inc big bp & shell for instance & electric brighton site (as mentioned before) update stats regularly, a great insight & ev versus hybrid breakdown of this well served south downs area (buses eveywhere) but stats if on area ownership versus charge points would be equivalent to one public availability charger per 5.5 ev/hybrid ..if all working, & even with these high numbers folk commenting on "regret going bev/hybrid due to broken units nearby (particularly the shell 150 kWh unit) ..insightful.

A lamp post charger (in case you are unfamiliar)

https://electricbrighton.com/faqs/how-d ... v-chargers
These "EB" ones in particular were the reason for the wifes swearing & why she simply went to shell thereafter.