DC Battery storage into Tesla Powerwall

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DC Battery storage into Tesla Powerwall

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Clearly, being an AC system PowerWall will not take DC directly.

However, as the DC generation from my solar array could be stored in a DC battery, then converted to AC by hybrid inverter. Surely its just a case of adding that inverter output to Tesla gateway in the same manner as the output of the current solar inverter.

Or is that noob talk? :lol:

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NikoV6 wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:09 pm Clearly, being an AC system PowerWall will not take DC directly.

However, as the DC generation from my solar array could be stored in a DC battery, then converted to AC by hybrid inverter. Surely its just a case of adding that inverter output to Tesla gateway in the same manner as the output of the current solar inverter.

Or is that noob talk? :lol:

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That would be my method of doing it.
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Mech Engineers rule!

:D

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Re: DC Battery storage into Tesla Powerwall

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Fintray wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:19 pm
NikoV6 wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:09 pm Clearly, being an AC system PowerWall will not take DC directly.

However, as the DC generation from my solar array could be stored in a DC battery, then converted to AC by hybrid inverter. Surely its just a case of adding that inverter output to Tesla gateway in the same manner as the output of the current solar inverter.

Or is that noob talk? :lol:

Not an electrical specialist, I'm a mechanical engineer!
That would be my method of doing it.
PylonTech US5000 4.8kWh for £1650ish looks good value unless your research has found better?
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Moxi wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:24 pm Mech Engineers rule!

:D

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Re: DC Battery storage into Tesla Powerwall

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NikoV6 wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:26 pm
Fintray wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:19 pm
NikoV6 wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:09 pm Clearly, being an AC system PowerWall will not take DC directly.

However, as the DC generation from my solar array could be stored in a DC battery, then converted to AC by hybrid inverter. Surely its just a case of adding that inverter output to Tesla gateway in the same manner as the output of the current solar inverter.

Or is that noob talk? :lol:

Not an electrical specialist, I'm a mechanical engineer!
That would be my method of doing it.
PylonTech US5000 4.8kWh for £1650ish looks good value unless your research has found better?
I was thinking more along the lines of the 280A batteries in a series string of 16 and into a hybrid inverter.
For around £10K you should be able to get about a 54kWh battery storage and 2 x 5kW hybrid inverters.
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NikoV6 wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:28 pm
Moxi wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:24 pm Mech Engineers rule!

:D

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When I was doing my apprenticeship we used to have a joke about what the favourite song of a Fitter was.
Although we had some modified lyrics to the original. :lol:

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nowty wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:35 pm
NikoV6 wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:28 pm
Moxi wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:24 pm Mech Engineers rule!

:D

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When I was in the RAF, we used to joke where's the leccy - normally sitting on the nearest radiator! :lol: :D
When I was doing my apprenticeship we used to have a joke about what the favourite song of a Fitter was.
Although we had some modified lyrics to the original. :lol:

:lol: :lol:
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Re: DC Battery storage into Tesla Powerwall

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Fintray wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:34 pm
NikoV6 wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:26 pm
Fintray wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:19 pm

That would be my method of doing it.
PylonTech US5000 4.8kWh for £1650ish looks good value unless your research has found better?
I was thinking more along the lines of the 280A batteries in a series string of 16 and into a hybrid inverter.
For around £10K you should be able to get about a 54kWh battery storage and 2 x 5kW hybrid inverters.
Hmm, could start off small and add to this then?

Can you link to where you could source please?
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Re: DC Battery storage into Tesla Powerwall

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Fintray wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:19 pm
NikoV6 wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:09 pm Clearly, being an AC system PowerWall will not take DC directly.

However, as the DC generation from my solar array could be stored in a DC battery, then converted to AC by hybrid inverter. Surely its just a case of adding that inverter output to Tesla gateway in the same manner as the output of the current solar inverter.

Or is that noob talk? :lol:

Not an electrical specialist, I'm a mechanical engineer!
That would be my method of doing it.
Going back to the original theme. :geek:

The problem with the 2nd AC coupled battery / hybrid inverter is getting it to work harmoniously with the Powerwall and stop them competing with each other.
16.9kW PV > 107MWh generated
Ripple 6.6kW Wind + 4.5kW PV > 22MWh generated
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GSHP + A2A HP's
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