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Ampace release a cutting-edge technology for the lithium
Which has 15000 cycles
Almost double up the cycle life than the usual battery now

Attach the link
https://www.ampacetech.com/en/technology/index

The interesting part for me is: what is the potential application?

Many BEVs are cycled once a week. So that is nearly 300 years.
A PHEV might be cycled 5x a week even that is c. 60 years.

Maybe a grid support battery might cover both the morning and evening peak periods in which case a 20 year life, which is compatible with typical infrastructure lifespans.

Stinsy wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 6:53 am The interesting part for me is: what is the potential application?

Many BEVs are cycled once a week. So that is nearly 300 years.
A PHEV might be cycled 5x a week even that is c. 60 years.

Maybe a grid support battery might cover both the morning and evening peak periods in which case a 20 year life, which is compatible with typical infrastructure lifespans.

The design is for the solar system, but will need more time to tell

My battery stack is currently running at a rate of about 210-220 cycles per year. It's the optimal sizing financially based on modelling I did which ignored any effect of cycles. So it will take a long time to use up the cycles. Age of capacitors etc will probably get me first.

But the other features such as 20 year life span are nice having read the notes.

Andy wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 7:49 am My battery stack is currently running at a rate of about 210-220 cycles per year. It's the optimal sizing financially based on modelling I did which ignored any effect of cycles. So it will take a long time to use up the cycles. Age of capacitors etc will probably get me first.

But the other features such as 20 year life span are nice having read the notes.

The 15000 cycles life battery
Kind of like
If i get it now at about 30
The battery will be dead at my 50
Also my child will be in high school already
Time..

Colin Deng wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 9:19 am

Andy wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 7:49 am My battery stack is currently running at a rate of about 210-220 cycles per year. It's the optimal sizing financially based on modelling I did which ignored any effect of cycles. So it will take a long time to use up the cycles. Age of capacitors etc will probably get me first.

But the other features such as 20 year life span are nice having read the notes.

The 15000 cycles life battery
Kind of like
If i get it now at about 30
The battery will be dead at my 50
Also my child will be in high school already
Time..

Colin Deng wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 9:19 am

Andy wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 7:49 am My battery stack is currently running at a rate of about 210-220 cycles per year. It's the optimal sizing financially based on modelling I did which ignored any effect of cycles. So it will take a long time to use up the cycles. Age of capacitors etc will probably get me first.

But the other features such as 20 year life span are nice having read the notes.

The 15000 cycles life battery
Kind of like
If i get it now at about 30
The battery will be dead at my 50
Also my child will be in high school already
Time..

What's do you think the expected lifespan of the electronics inside it will be? I suppose it can be a long time as I still have a lot of old devices that still fire up

Well, we have boiler engineers eh!?

Rather than fist you for dedicated servicing, big home battery controller manufs could & should make a sim type slot for easy, power down & swap out, (of circuit boards for example)
With bluetooth, wifi et al we will mainly have remote diagnostics & sparkies for everything else, ..god forbid they screw it up as badly as tesla phone "assistance" (nope, i'm not having a go, the instore guys at the most tesla dense area of the country (Cambridge) are of the same opinion & recommend avoiding them altogether (if you have a demonstration point in your locality that is) as they are part of the ongoing problem.

Point is, if you make it consumer serviceable, the reputation for performance is going to be a lot easier, pull out battery trays on bearing runners? (size dependent) & a visual upload to the manufacturer to check all looks good (with a service charge)

I'm sure many of you could attest to how much of a money rinse that could be for the technologically confounded, though likely there will be a forced "annual service test" by govt to float some roads pothole paint markers (you know the ones that are finally acknowledged so you can "try" to pursue a claim, unmarked ones an even tougher nut to crack)

Govt will be looking at the loss / retraining of an industry & hike in another 20% on that alone.

What's the projected cost of these when price stabilised? (sorry not read through yet) do we graph it out along the same sort of curve for BEV uptake?


What size batteries ? at 350 watt hours per kg, in bare weight it would not be unreasonable to anticipate a 14 kilowatt hour battery planned (40kg) benching in many a domecile over several tiers do you think? the prospect of connected households this way would be staggering as to localised energy propping up.

As Colin rightly points out if it runs to specification (cycles) replacement / refreshing will be decades down the line, better prospects than the lifespan of many modern boilers maybe?

Mr Gus

What does the above post have to do with the topic?

Andy wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 9:39 am

Colin Deng wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 9:19 am

Andy wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 7:49 am My battery stack is currently running at a rate of about 210-220 cycles per year. It's the optimal sizing financially based on modelling I did which ignored any effect of cycles. So it will take a long time to use up the cycles. Age of capacitors etc will probably get me first.

But the other features such as 20 year life span are nice having read the notes.

The 15000 cycles life battery
Kind of like
If i get it now at about 30
The battery will be dead at my 50
Also my child will be in high school already
Time..

What's do you think the expected lifespan of the electronics inside it will be? I suppose it can be a long time as I still have a lot of old devices that still fire up

Even is the cells can be that long life cycles
But with time pass, the BMS, the cables, and the other things to make the battery pack will be damage easily
It will needs to fix the system from time to time