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nowty wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:47 pm
Mr Gus wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 12:47 pm Them surely we should run towards cheaper renewables that fill the space AND THEN the nuclear (or whatever matures) option as the more expensive "mop up"

Good insights both of you.
Nuclear cannot be used to "mop up" because you cannot modulate the output like with a gas power station.

The term is a loose one, the UK govt is already trumpeting Rolls Royce micro-nuclear (cuddly sounding right 😉 ) ..if we plugged away at packing in renewables we create a new baseline for the remainder of a consistent steady supply in "whatever form" to get across the line without tripping ourselves up, over coming seasons folk will have to get more savvy about heating, cooling through the seasons with more efficiency, France's nationalisation of EDF is likely to change things as it is on something of a war footing with regard to supply (ditto the rest of the EU) can see French government being proactive through the EU for efficient change, it has surely to recognise its own nuclear fleet is a bit Merde, & it has to increase renewables to plug gaps with best value & the potential to deploy now, lots of temporary (10 year) !? contracts maybe for rural solar from borderline agri-space, ..hopefully lots of desp's ground screws

Disappointing to see the EU seemingly classify nuclear & gas as green all of a sudden, wondering as to how the puzzle pieces fit.
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Gus, I didn't think France nationalised EDF, after all that would interfere with the state aid rules about supporting certain industries. Didn't they just happen to 'choose' to buy 84% of EDF, when it was close to bankruptcy? ;-)
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Reuters reports states it already owns 84%
Unlike the UK & bulb for sitting pretty drawing salary the EDF Grande fromage has stepped down, monies "set aside" *cough* to continue (aww 💩) thrashing out 6 new EPR reactors ..hmm, cannot see that being a short term plan that tallies with economic crisis wars in Europe & fast changing seasons...

Full nationalisation reported since yesterday, no backing out of it as mis-reporting by anyone, deemed exceptional measures I guess!?

What's the build time on a nuclear reactor these days?

It would take some gall to bet the farm on nuclear to ride out the current storm as is.
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Seems like they (EU) are happy to re-write the free competition rules when its the big two struggling, thing is what does re-nationalisation of EDF mean for its foreign holdings? after all they privatised (almost) to allow EDF to buy into lucrative overseas markets (UK as an example) so how can France own elements of UK infrastructure ?

As for small modular reactors I haven't followed the technology development but one thing keeps niggling me about them, how do they maintain sufficient flux density to maintain criticality ? If its by dint of HEU then I would say that its the wrong technology as it flies in the face of proliferation and would be a U turn to all that has been done in the past twenty years to reduce stocks of HEU.

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I had to think as to the definition momentarily.

HEU. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enriched_uranium

As per previous, smaller building space footprint does not mean cheaper security costs.
All being presented with the slickness of a "find the (silver) lady" grift by Rolls Royce & UK govt "personal enrichment" ministers,

Doubtless govt would claim redeployment of existing nuclear police security as an added bluff for any closed down (ha) nuclear sites (which take how long to make safe in order not to necessitate aforementioned staff) !? ..as one aspect of security.

If it follows Moxi's suspicions how does that increase the stockpile of HEU over its perceived, likely extended lifetime (looking at current nuclear plants)?
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Quinbrook unveils plans for 2 GWh big battery in Australia

My, that's some battery and while it's use is primarily in powering a datacentre alongside Solar, Wind and Hydro power it is a prime example of forward thinking by Quinbrook. Doesn't seem long ago that battery's of minor MW proportions were arriving on the scene, now their acceptance as a reliable and resiient storage option is almost taken for granted allowing for scaling up to this GW capacity.
Looks like storage is beginning to make a significant contribution to stability of energy supply around the world.

https://www.pv-magazine.com/2022/07/08/ ... australia/
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Also drone flyers have spotted a mass of Tesla Megapacks (3MWh each) outside Giga Nevada, I think they total about 1.5GWh, so they must be on their way somewhere. Incredible that we are now regularly talking about GWh's of battery deployment.
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Sizewell C planning decision delayed again - probably as much to do with the resignation of basically everyone in Govermnment!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-62084198

Also, French President announces a plan to fully re-nationalise EDF
https://world-nuclear-news.org/Articles ... way-for-ne
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