Very lightweight uneducated argument against BEV, ..but it's Rowan Atkinson (earning media amplification regardless)

[openspaceman]

Personally I hope that retrofitting battery systems takes off.

I can see that being the only way I can get into BEV owning, everything is against my 2010 Fiesta 1.6D "eco" so it would be an ideal donor vehicle but I would want a 50kW motor and at least 100 mile range, then I would happily sink £8k into it even at 108k miles and that does over 65mpg on non motorway driving.

£40k is an entirely different matter and as I only do about 2000 miles a year in it the cost doesn't warrant one. My daughter has one on lease which she may buy at the end of this year but given the few people that can service them may well lease another one. She did get very annoyed when the courtesy car provided was petrol engined, it took them a fortnight to get a cracked bumper fixed.

I don't see petrol or diesel cars wearing out within the few years driving I have left but I think a mixture of low emission zones, reduced garages offering repairs/servicing as BEVs take a bigger share of the market as well as closure of petrol stations as demand reduces will all add into the equation of deciding whether to keep one running.

[Joeboy]

Yet it sparks debate. Rowan may be looking bigger picture and be willing to sacrifice 'face'. You never know.

[marshman]

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[Mr Gus]

Simple & cheap... Just utilise this gen of smart styling & electrify it, Smart already had the 450 as an electric rig, the 451 was available as the expensive BEV option, if people want cheap then this made over very slightly inside, could be a whole new level of transport, considering you could get 70-80 miles out of the 451 ED way back in the day, & density has only got better!
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[Joeboy]

This is heartbreaking. I wish I was rich!

https://sonomotors.com/en/sion-sell-off/

[Mart]

Personally I hope that retrofitting battery systems takes off.

I can see that being the only way I can get into BEV owning, everything is against my 2010 Fiesta 1.6D "eco" so it would be an ideal donor vehicle but I would want a 50kW motor and at least 100 mile range, then I would happily sink £8k into it even at 108k miles and that does over 65mpg on non motorway driving.

£40k is an entirely different matter and as I only do about 2000 miles a year in it the cost doesn't warrant one. My daughter has one on lease which she may buy at the end of this year but given the few people that can service them may well lease another one. She did get very annoyed when the courtesy car provided was petrol engined, it took them a fortnight to get a cracked bumper fixed.

I don't see petrol or diesel cars wearing out within the few years driving I have left but I think a mixture of low emission zones, reduced garages offering repairs/servicing as BEVs take a bigger share of the market as well as closure of petrol stations as demand reduces will all add into the equation of deciding whether to keep one running.

If it's of any use, we have a Hyundai IONIQ. It's a 2018 model, 28kWh, solid 130 miles range, and 150 if you drive carefully. Our long term average is 4.7m/kWh, driven in sport (not Eco) mode. Just looked on Carguru and there are some from £14k, 2018 or newer. Appreciate that's a lot more than £8k (plus donor vehicle), but hopefully getting closer to affordable/reasonable.


Edit - Should have mentioned the Nissan Leaf too, similar prices will be found for 40kWh models, perhaps 4yrs old(ish), which should be good for 140 miles, 200 in good weather and driven very carefully.

[Joeboy]

Personally I hope that retrofitting battery systems takes off.

I can see that being the only way I can get into BEV owning, everything is against my 2010 Fiesta 1.6D "eco" so it would be an ideal donor vehicle but I would want a 50kW motor and at least 100 mile range, then I would happily sink £8k into it even at 108k miles and that does over 65mpg on non motorway driving.

£40k is an entirely different matter and as I only do about 2000 miles a year in it the cost doesn't warrant one. My daughter has one on lease which she may buy at the end of this year but given the few people that can service them may well lease another one. She did get very annoyed when the courtesy car provided was petrol engined, it took them a fortnight to get a cracked bumper fixed.

I don't see petrol or diesel cars wearing out within the few years driving I have left but I think a mixture of low emission zones, reduced garages offering repairs/servicing as BEVs take a bigger share of the market as well as closure of petrol stations as demand reduces will all add into the equation of deciding whether to keep one running.

If it's of any use, we have a Hyundai IONIQ. It's a 2018 model, 28kWh, solid 130 miles range, and 150 if you drive carefully. Our long term average is 4.7m/kWh, driven in sport (not Eco) mode. Just looked on Carguru and there are some from £14k, 2018 or newer. Appreciate that's a lot more than £8k (plus donor vehicle), but hopefully getting closer to affordable/reasonable.


Edit - Should have mentioned the Nissan Leaf too, similar prices will be found for 40kWh models, perhaps 4yrs old(ish), which should be good for 140 miles, 200 in good weather and driven very carefully.

We have a Hyundai ioniq loan car at the moment. 180 miles range, absolutely excellent car.


Plenty seats folded storage!

[Mart]

I can see that being the only way I can get into BEV owning, everything is against my 2010 Fiesta 1.6D "eco" so it would be an ideal donor vehicle but I would want a 50kW motor and at least 100 mile range, then I would happily sink £8k into it even at 108k miles and that does over 65mpg on non motorway driving.

£40k is an entirely different matter and as I only do about 2000 miles a year in it the cost doesn't warrant one. My daughter has one on lease which she may buy at the end of this year but given the few people that can service them may well lease another one. She did get very annoyed when the courtesy car provided was petrol engined, it took them a fortnight to get a cracked bumper fixed.

I don't see petrol or diesel cars wearing out within the few years driving I have left but I think a mixture of low emission zones, reduced garages offering repairs/servicing as BEVs take a bigger share of the market as well as closure of petrol stations as demand reduces will all add into the equation of deciding whether to keep one running.

If it's of any use, we have a Hyundai IONIQ. It's a 2018 model, 28kWh, solid 130 miles range, and 150 if you drive carefully. Our long term average is 4.7m/kWh, driven in sport (not Eco) mode. Just looked on Carguru and there are some from £14k, 2018 or newer. Appreciate that's a lot more than £8k (plus donor vehicle), but hopefully getting closer to affordable/reasonable.


Edit - Should have mentioned the Nissan Leaf too, similar prices will be found for 40kWh models, perhaps 4yrs old(ish), which should be good for 140 miles, 200 in good weather and driven very carefully.

We have a Hyundai ioniq loan car at the moment. 180 miles range, absolutely excellent car.


Plenty seats folded storage!

I'm impressed. because the aerodynamics mean it's quite a low roof. I may be wrong, but I think the car's reputation for being so good, was why Hyundai decided to name the dedicated BEV cars Ioniq, such as 5, or 6.

I assume your loan car is the 38kWh model? I've been told they are good for 180, and 200 if driven carefully. As we had a 24kWh Leaf, with ~70 miles of range at the time we were looking at the IONIQ, we didn't actually believe that 130 was possible, so Wifey joined the UK owners group and asked. We got reassurring replies, and went for it.

Annoyingly, I noticed on carguru website that the battery size wasn't given, unless in the car title, so be it an IONIQ or a Leaf, it wasn't clear.

[Joeboy]

If it's of any use, we have a Hyundai IONIQ. It's a 2018 model, 28kWh, solid 130 miles range, and 150 if you drive carefully. Our long term average is 4.7m/kWh, driven in sport (not Eco) mode. Just looked on Carguru and there are some from £14k, 2018 or newer. Appreciate that's a lot more than £8k (plus donor vehicle), but hopefully getting closer to affordable/reasonable.


Edit - Should have mentioned the Nissan Leaf too, similar prices will be found for 40kWh models, perhaps 4yrs old(ish), which should be good for 140 miles, 200 in good weather and driven very carefully.

We have a Hyundai ioniq loan car at the moment. 180 miles range, absolutely excellent car.


Plenty seats folded storage!

I'm impressed. because the aerodynamics mean it's quite a low roof. I may be wrong, but I think the car's reputation for being so good, was why Hyundai decided to name the dedicated BEV cars Ioniq, such as 5, or 6.

I assume your loan car is the 38kWh model? I've been told they are good for 180, and 200 if driven carefully. As we had a 24kWh Leaf, with ~70 miles of range at the time we were looking at the IONIQ, we didn't actually believe that 130 was possible, so Wifey joined the UK owners group and asked. We got reassurring replies, and went for it.

Annoyingly, I noticed on carguru website that the battery size wasn't given, unless in the car title, so be it an IONIQ or a Leaf, it wasn't clear.

I guess so Mart, they just gave me the keys and off I went. It does exactly what you'd want a car to do with decent quality, no fuss and a minimumn of frippery. We are impressed.

[Mr Gus]

"Ligier Myli electric moped car has arrived in Norway"

It's a slow moving fat smart lookalike, ..but it is a car to all intents & purposes, great!

https://www.ligier.fr/