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Scraped this off Twitter this morning.
People laughed when Musk said the Model Y could become the best selling passenger vehicle worldwide, but look.
Toyota are in real trouble.

Agreed but I find that table depressing for the quantities of bloated "tanks" that are being sold - Rav4, CRV, Hilux, F150 etc. etc. I even regard the model Y as a tank.

Completely right on that point - the SUV has taken over the world and that's depressing.

UK councils & govt have an opportunity to legislate size of parked vehicles per size of road (the onus being on highway ACCESS not restriction to the majority not to inconvenience others, especially where parking is concerned.

Cries of well "I got 4 kids so I need extra bins & a range rover in this city" should be ignored, ..close your legs, avail yourself of birth control, & parking on roads in older streets ought to be based on vehicle size with reductions for commercial vehicles if deemed viable that it has to come home with them compared to compound parking at work.

Our old neighbour parked all their cars on the road (it was a medieval pub that spilled onto a narrow pavement straight onto the road, so understandable, we had parking, however it used to pee me off that on the occasions we had someone park half on half off (we usually told em to pull up onto the frontage which could accom 4-5 vehicles if needed, you'd get honked by angry speeders through that straight, they were blind to the "perma road blockage" on one side, with no tolerance for once every 6 months on our side, I often wonder how one side of a road becomes "acceptable" parking whilst the other is deemed a no parking zone.

Sadly, in our cul-de-sac muppets park on both sides of the road & a squeeze ensues.

Our road side neighbours COULD have parked to the left of their house(s) because they also had an admittedly inconvenient driveway & easy access to a massive piece of noisy gravelled land to one side that was safe & visible from the road & their home that they were allowed to park on, so no real need to road park..

SUV nonsense needs quelling a decade ago

Safety brain has even got to our neighbour, one baby, likely one only, has resulted in the need for a BIG suv, ..thankfully they have parking the previous neighbour rippe out all the tree's & paved the bloody lot! ..it's a heat oasis nowadays.

marshman wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 1:36 pm Agreed but I find that table depressing for the quantities of bloated "tanks" that are being sold - Rav4, CRV, Hilux, F150 etc. etc. I even regard the model Y as a tank.

I'm not sure that RAV4 and CRV really count as massive tanks - especially not compared to the F150 which really is massive!
The Hilux doesn't sell in any of the market areas listed on the table - so presumably the rest of asia, middle east and africa, where there is a greater chance of them actually being used as commercial vehicles to lug stuff around.
For a given size of vehicle, an SUV version will be a bit heavier and a bit less aerodynamic, so use a bit more fuel & emit a bit more CO2 - I wonder how much % wise though - and whether demonising anything with SUV in the title is a bit counter-productive?

richbee wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 4:10 pm

marshman wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 1:36 pm Agreed but I find that table depressing for the quantities of bloated "tanks" that are being sold - Rav4, CRV, Hilux, F150 etc. etc. I even regard the model Y as a tank.

I'm not sure that RAV4 and CRV really count as massive tanks - especially not compared to the F150 which really is massive!
The Hilux doesn't sell in any of the market areas listed on the table - so presumably the rest of asia, middle east and africa, where there is a greater chance of them actually being used as commercial vehicles to lug stuff around.
For a given size of vehicle, an SUV version will be a bit heavier and a bit less aerodynamic, so use a bit more fuel & emit a bit more CO2 - I wonder how much % wise though - and whether demonising anything with SUV in the title is a bit counter-productive?

Hiya. For a comparison as you asked, of two similar vehicles (one a sedan and one a SUV), then the Model Y is about 2 inches longer than the Model 3, similar width, and about 8 inches taller, though part of that is due simply to the floorbed being raised about 2 inches higher. The added weight is about 80kg.

For me, I'm finding the TMY slightly more efficient than the the TM3 we had, but I think that's because the Y has a heatpump, the 3 was a pre heatpump model. And also because I've not downloaded the extra 100bhp that's available, which I did do for the 3, and which was much, much fun!

TBH, I've never quite understood what exactly a SUV is. I get that the Range Rover is one, but the TMY is just a 3 with a taller body. Basically, we can get a retriever in the boot, which we couldn't with the 3 (or at least not without upsetting both the dog and the RSPCA). So I'm a tad lost on where the line is now drawn.

Probably the biggest and least efficient vehicle we have owned is a Vauxhall Zafira, which isn't a SUV. But what a great package and versatility - that vehicle was truly excellent.

Whether or not a TMY (and therefore by association and footprint a TM3) is a tank, I really don't know. But I managed a 65 mile trip yesterday to get kitty litter and it averaged 233Wh/mile (4.3 miles/kWh), albeit with strikingly different performance on the 'up' route from sea level Cardiff, to Ebbw Vale (+400m) of 307Wh/mile, and the return 'down' leg (with an extra 375kg on board helping re-gen) of 158Wh/mile.

I certainly think a smaller and more efficient Tesla Model 2, will be a great idea, expanding efficient BEV driving to ever more folk.

375kg - That's some kitty litter
The TMY sounds pretty good efficiency wise - so far everyone is understandably concerned about range anxiety with BEVs - but at some point you would imagine that focus will shift onto efficiency, similar to how diesel overtook petrol & became so dominant before it's dieselgate demise.
SUVs seem very much to be a fashion statement, although I personally like having a higher up driving position for a visibility point of view.
I always liked the Zafira / Scenic MPV style of people carrier, so versatile - but ultimately killed by the rise of the 'sporty' SUV brigade.

I should probably admit at this point that I drive a Transit Custom camper / day van - which is even more versatile than the MPV style vehicles for camping and mountain bike transport etc - and actually has about the same CO2 output and fuel economy as my other half's 1.3 petrol Nissan Qashqai (which I guess is an SUV, but not a very tank like one)

marshman wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 1:36 pm Agreed but I find that table depressing for the quantities of bloated "tanks" that are being sold - Rav4, CRV, Hilux, F150 etc. etc. I even regard the model Y as a tank.

I joined this ‘cross-over’ SUV group recently. Some good reasons for doing so, otherwise a saloon would have sufficed.

I preferred the Ioniq 5 to the Tesla option (for various reasons). It would have been a Kona but the electric wheelchair would have meant the seats being folded. The rear seats are not often used - but when needed …. Usually only myself, or my wife with me, aboard.

I’m finding it fun to drive, quick at lights where lanes merge and reasonably efficient (OK, I chose the AWD version, so not exceptional). The range is reduced by just a few miles in normal AWD, as opposed to RWD in ECO mode.

The extra height is a great help for my wife when exiting the vehicle - I had to park about a foot from the kerb, or I needed to haul her out of the 607. Her wheelchair batteries can be charged in situ, while we are driving, so that helps a bit (one had to remember to remove the batteries for charging, before shoe-horning it into the 607 boot). I will be able to load/unload the chair under power when I modify some ramps I have.

It may appear unnecessarily ‘bloated’ most of the time, but it is what it is.

Fair play & understandable, genuine mobility & life changer size based on need not necessarily vanity, ..big difference.

Prior to covid we often looked at the regular drip drip of disabled access end of lease ehicles, wife was thinki g about i vesting in a local private ambulance service so welooked at a few big mercedes van conversions, covid struck, & that idea got shut down (bca went online only, notfood for potential buyers)

Some of the modifications are mad but with little value as second hand vehicles to anyone else, a big leather seated, tricked out merc sprinter with wheelchair lift / drag, the motability sale either threw up horribly trashed dogs or hidden gems!

(it was clear some people spent way beyond the allowance & covetted them whilst others treated it as a free ride to tear holes through the panels, used to make us nigh on weep)

Surely it’s horses for courses.
Everyone is entitled to their choice, but parking in awkward places is a bug bear for a lot of people as common sense goes completely out of the window.
The model Y is extremely good value and I can see why it is selling so well.
I can’t really write what I genuinely think, as it would come across as quite sexist, needless to say the number of drivers at school pick are driving 4x4’s and have no awareness of the size or speed of their vehicle. These drivers tend to be of a certain type…………