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As usual the new "proposal" is utter ball-hooks
See video below, think about how many of yours would be affected....
Contact the idiots..



Without thinking about it, my billhooks (various types) meat cleaver, entire sets of sabatier kitchen knives, cheese knives etc all fall foul.

Try explaing to a copper why you are walking with a wrapped item in your backpack (because you don't drive, or are taking it to use on a local villagers garden across the way) ..bushcraft as usual suffers.

plastic prison fork time?

There is a strange tendency by some to blame the object rather than the person committing the violent act.

We need to address societal problems such as: single parent families, drugs, organised crime, poverty, opportunity, aspiration, etc. and all that is much more difficult.

You can’t outlaw weapons because pretty much any object can be a weapon and plenty of everyday tools make really good weapons. We just get a progressively arcane legislation that has unintended consequences on ordinary people and criminals start squirting lemon juice or vinegar in their victims faces. Are you going to ban basic foodstuffs?

Having a sensible conversation with the plod, as to why you are carrying a set of knives doesn’t seem out the ordinary, I know many chefs at work who don’t drive and carry a tool box, or chisel type roll to keep knives in.

Imagine it’s the context in which you are found with these.

To have a sensible conversation with plod, first you need a sensible plod ...gamble looking for a brain versus little tit trying to climb up the ranks & impressing their sarge type thing.

AGT wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:09 am Having a sensible conversation with the plod, as to why you are carrying a set of knives doesn’t seem out the ordinary, I know many chefs at work who don’t drive and carry a tool box, or chisel type roll to keep knives in.

Imagine it’s the context in which you are found with these.

I never risked going into the city with my axe handle sticking out because, i'm not a chef, just someone with a job of putting axe to wood or similar, which may easily not be understoood by a crap cop (after my run in with screaming slimey cop, slimey cop, arsehole cop (whilst wife was stabilising rolled vehicle passenger I was moving traffic, coppers who say neither please nor thank you & "you can go now" (in an imperious manner) I have made the call that upon meeting them, my luck & their professionality is distinctly lacking.

Never even got a cursory thank you for scooping a baby out of the road on a busy dual carriageway (already manic traumatised car roll passengers, worse if i'd let their kid in a car seat get squashed in the fast lane after slowing the traffic as we kept traffic back, that was calling it on 999 in before it happened type thing, you could see the outcome ahead of time)

On the other side of the coin my old village copper made sure that public assistance was acknowledged & would stop off to thank you for reporting something on his patch & update you as to outcome.

Stinsy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:06 am
We need to address societal problems such as: single parent families, drugs, organised crime, poverty, opportunity, aspiration, etc. and all that is much more difficult.

Please do not stigmatise single parent families. The problem is when one parent abandons the family, not the singleness.

I and my, then young, three children became a single parent family when by wife suddenly died 17 years ago. We were never a problem to society or anyone else. They have now all invested in DW with a nudge from me with my experience oh GF and KH.

John

PS I understand your sentiment especially regarding drugs and organised crime. But please choose your words carefully.
Also enjoy your ID 4. After two years and 20k miles, I am still very happy with mine.

John_S wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:21 pm

Stinsy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:06 am
We need to address societal problems such as: single parent families, drugs, organised crime, poverty, opportunity, aspiration, etc. and all that is much more difficult.

Please do not stigmatise single parent families. The problem is when one parent abandons the family, not the singleness.

I and my, then young, three children became a single parent family when by wife suddenly died 17 years ago. We were never a problem to society or anyone else. They have now all invested in DW with a nudge from me with my experience oh GF and KH.

John

PS I understand your sentiment especially regarding drugs and organised crime. But please choose your words carefully.
Also enjoy your ID 4. After two years and 20k miles, I am still very happy with mine.

No offence intended. I’m sorry for your loss. I can understand why that part niggled you.

The truth is that children who grow up in single-parent households are statistically much more likely to display criminal behaviour in adolescence, and areas with large numbers of single parent families suffer from high crime rates. That isn’t to say that all such children become neerdowells. And studies have shown a difference between children in different types of single-parent family (decease, divorce, being born to a single parent) with the latter being most clearly correlated to criminality. This is clearly a societal problem that should be acknowledged and addressed. The criminality is in my mind caused by neglect rather than the number of parents (two parents can be neglectful causing criminality, one parent can provide everything a child needs and produce a balanced and law-abiding adult).

Similarly someone who grows their own and smokes cannabis occasionally might think their drug use is unfairly bundled with the huge blight on society that is the illegal drugs trade.

The point I’m trying to make is that once society’s problems are distilled to a list, all subtlety is lost. These are complex issues with no obvious or easy solutions. And the point I was trying to make originally was that banning ordinary household objects just because they might be used as weapons is dumb.

I cannot imagine how difficult it must’ve been bringing up three children single-handedly while dealing with your own grief. If ownership of coop renewable energy projects is the ultimate measure of moral and emotional well-being (which it is in these parts!) then you’ve clearly done a good job.

I'm a single mother kid too (widowed, cancer sticks took my dad out when I was very young) I can attest to what Stinsy meant without being offended,(based on his many posts) I understood it as a "spare" from very young, my older brother took all her time & energy, stigmatising us on too many fronts that put me at risk as a result.

Kids get lost with just one parent along the way, that's for sure, they benefit tremendously from stable parental platforms & reliable adults they respect enough to go to, let alone talk things through with, & that is absent for many either via age, actions social stigma etc.

Therein lies a massive problem, the stifle & release emotional element of a youth with no long term guidance, support / mental maintenance.