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Oh dear,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66857551

First, the government would push the ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel cars - currently set to come into force in 2030 - back to 2035. The 2030 date has been government policy since 2020.

Second, the government would significantly weaken the plan to phase out the installation of gas boilers by 2035, saying that they only want 80% to be phased out by that year.

Third, homeowners and landlords would be told that there will be no new energy efficiency regulations on homes. Ministers had been considering imposing fines on landlords who fail to upgrade their properties to a certain level of energy efficiency.

Fourth, the 2026 ban on off-grid oil boilers will be delayed to 2035, with only an 80% phase out target at that date.

In addition, Britons will be told that there will be no new taxes to discourage flying; no government policies to change people's diets; and no measures to encourage carpooling.

Mr Sunak is also likely to rule out what he sees as burdensome recycling schemes.

So, off grid homes are going to be heated how? No oil boiler, so stuck with off grid gas but intent to stop installing gas boilers, which then forces the installation of a heat pump which then enforces giant solar arrays? Which doesn't work in winter?

It feels like they are banning off grid homes. Otherwise this is naff policy.

Krill wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 6:16 pm So, off grid homes are going to be heated how? No oil boiler...

to me,

the 2026 ban on off-grid oil boilers will be delayed to 2035, with only an 80% phase out target at that date

says that they don't really plan to stop the installation of oil boilers anytime soon, and hopefuly before then there will be much better alternatives.

F**k the environment, a few more votes is what matters. Useless b'stards.

AE-NMidlands wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 6:35 pm

Krill wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 6:16 pm So, off grid homes are going to be heated how? No oil boiler...

to me,

the 2026 ban on off-grid oil boilers will be delayed to 2035, with only an 80% phase out target at that date

says that they don't really plan to stop the installation of oil boilers anytime soon, and hopefuly before then there will be much better alternatives.

Whilst I can't and dont disagree with the goals it really does shine a light on the challenge in that housing segment. I don't even see this as a cost issue, it's literally an energy storage amd transfer problem.

Typical political speak. No new taxes doesn’t mean, to me, that existing ones will not be increased. Define ‘new’.

Removal of subsidies may mean flying is rather more expensive - but you are not actively discouraged.

All might change after the next general election, of course.( Oh, are the political parties already starting to garner votes?)

Thing is we have to take up our own responsabilities realy, the key to environmental goals is encouragement rather than a big stick. The 'top down' autocratic approach, especially with our useless short termist politics and lack of long term thinking, will never give any lasting direction or guidance to anything.

spread-tee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 8:07 pm F**k the environment, a few more votes is what matters. Useless b'stards.

This exactly

I really don't understand why anyone needs to buy a new £40k car with an ICE. They should ban them from 2025! Literally the only problem to solve is reasonably-priced charging for those without driveways next to their house. However a double-tax-credit for electricity provided free to employees on a 3.6kW workplace charging point, would go a long way to solving that.

I can accept PHEV vans, because the currently-available BEV vans make long distance travel a feat of endurance. However that'll be solved by 2030 with vans like the new eTransit Custom with 230miles of WLTP range out next year.

I heard a quote today on classic fm regarding this announcement 'we're not going to bankrupt Britain to save the planet'.

I'm not going to go off on one at this. I've always believed in doing my own thing, helping people when I can while being fully aware that people in general and largely to a rule will let you down.

This is just another one of those cases yet writ large. I draw solace from knowing I'll be dead in 30 years and that we have a greater than average percentage of people in here who are happy to help others who pass through.

Don't worry, Be happy.