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Glad I'm not in Norway

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:14 pm
by Tinbum
Spotted this in a thread on the openenergymonitor forum,


Hi, in Norway a new electricity usage policy is going to be implemented next year. If I use more than a certain amount of kWh within 1 hour, I get a penalty for the entire month. There will likely be two steps, 5kWh and an even higher penalty if I use >10kWh :shock:

Re: Glad I'm not in Norway

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:31 pm
by Countrypaul
Are they planing to replace BEVs? :lol:

Re: Glad I'm not in Norway

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:43 pm
by Tinbum
New form of road tax? :roll:

Re: Glad I'm not in Norway

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:28 pm
by AE-NMidlands
It's understandable if you want to reduce (or limit) grid demand. Something you can do if you are not pretending that the free market drives all decisions.
Even if the country's supply is fully green and most homes are all-electric, if everyone goes for BEVs there might be massive demand at 5 or 6pm when they get home, plug in the BEV and start cooking and heating the house. Embodied energy (or just the cost) of upgrading the grid to cope with peak demand when people don't have to pay any attention to externalities isn't sensible.

After all, isn't this a bit like what Octopus agile is doing?

People with batteries must be laughing. (Can you blend grid supply up to a defined max and top up by battery drawdown with the controllers currently available?)
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Re: Glad I'm not in Norway

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:33 pm
by Tinbum
In his post he says it's any time of day or night though.

Re: Glad I'm not in Norway

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:40 pm
by Stinsy
Couldn't you still use batteries, but instead of using them to concentrate your energy use into a small cheap window, the batteries could spread it out...

Re: Glad I'm not in Norway

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:46 pm
by AE-NMidlands
I use about 6 kWhr per day, although we do use gas for cooking and heating. 5 or 10 kWhr in any hour doesn't seem an unreasonable limit...

Re: Glad I'm not in Norway

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:49 pm
by Countrypaul
If they are not careful, people will have to drive to a motorway/supermarket/?? to charge their cars and avoid the tax at home - even though it would probably wrk out more expensive (remember some people used more fuel looking for a petrol sttion with fuel than they actually wanted in the first place.) Presumably there is more to this that has not been covered in the simple snippet.

Is it a quantity per house, per person, per ???

Re: Glad I'm not in Norway

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:36 pm
by nowty
Sounds like a reason NOT to get a smart meter. :?

Re: Glad I'm not in Norway

Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:45 pm
by Tinbum
I have 2 supplies. One has a smart meter and the other doesn't and I've no plans to change that despite all the texts, letters and phone calls.