How is garage forecourt fuel supply round your way?

[Mr Gus]

I wonder how much "govt issued" digital fuel ration priority apps would cost to implement, ..& which govt "mates" company gets the contract.

How far does 20 litres get you in that leased range rover these days?

(stinsy, loads of idiots pcp leasing landrover / rangerovers these last few years they've become so similar I can't tell anymore, so it's not necessarily the "few miles travelled" but the size & inefficiency of it all to do those few miles)

[Joeboy]

Busy yesterday in Aberdeenshire and Q'd out in Glasgow today. The motorway stations on the way down were normal.

[Joeboy]

Now we have two EVs I couldn't give a monkeys.

Well timed eh?

[AE-NMidlands]

If our govt were actually/really/genuinely committed to carbon reduction they would sieze this as an opportunity to move things forward (why let a crisis go to waste?)
I remember in December 1973 or 4 one of our friends failed to attend our wedding because of the fuel crisis. Everyone else managed to get there, including a lad from the N of Scotland.
Back then we got issued with rationing coupons (I think it was that "crisis") and several of us felt it was done wrong. Instead of coupons just for car-owners and a threat of prosecution if you used them to fill a different car, they should have been issued to all adults and been tradeable. Like farmers' milk quotas were a few decades later. (I don't think the petrol rationing was actually put into operation, the last time we came across our book I think it was unused.)

That way car-less people paying a premium to use public transport (and not increasing fuel demand / carbon emissions by much) or putting their own calories into commuting by bike wouldn't be shut out, but could be rewarded, i.e. gain, by selling their carbon vouchers on the open market to people who wanted to buy them. The same could apply now - it would be much easier in the modern electronic age - and EV owners could also cash in the premium they have paid by being early adopters by selling on what are in effect their their carbon credits.
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[Mr Gus]

Sorry AE, that is simple, too well thought out, & go's a long way to maximise benefit to all, I'm going to have to shut you down there for being far too sensible, ..our govt parties could NEVER let that happen.


By the way I hear there is a drinks party in a brewery that isn't happening either.

PS just nipped out to a nearby market town to get some food in, queues of nervous drivers at the petrol station we passed.
It is a UKIP hub, so I cannot tell whether the trousers (cord) are brown naturally or down to ongoing events having been fouled by the voters of dear old Nigel Fuhrer-age.

[Mart]

I'll second that as a great idea, and go further for a household/individual carbon quota, so households that are greener, or just perhaps short of money, can sell credits for those who want to fly more, etc etc..

Anything that makes harmful activities more expensive, will help nudge the needle a bit. People will want green energy tariffs, cleaner cars, PV where possible, perhaps the Ripple windfarm idea would earn you credits, and so on and so on.

It doesn't actually have to be oppressive either for many, with credits steadily reducing over time to maintain their value and importance as sectors continue to decarbonise. And with computers tracking all this, you could even have bandings, so folk who have a massive carbon footprint need X credits for the first Xtonnes of CO2, but then 1.5X credits for the next Xtonnes, and 2X for the next etc etc each year.

Cripes ..... imagine how many credits you'd have to buy up to go on a luxury cruise, we could end up with all the elderly living in sheltered housing earning a fortune and owning Tesla's ......... that last bit is a joke.

[Mr Gus]

Lots of things *can* be done. Examples:

• Maximum transaction 20 or 30 Litres.

However it is completely unnecessary because by Monday the vast majority will be sitting on a full tank of fuel they havent used and will take a-month-or-two to get through. Petrol stations will be quiet and fully stocked.

Even our little smart has 33 odd litres capacity, filled it a fortnight ago, that's likely 6 months of irregular driving for us currently.

NB a Land Rover Range Rover Sport (2005-2018) has a fuel tank capacity of 80 liters ...yet I feel no pity


Time for a govt amnesty on micro mobility such as E-scooters to reduce load, (they've just extended the current hire schemes apparantly)


Meanwhile: the only other place having fuel issues right now seems to be this place (scroll through the photo's) https://www.thenationalnews.com/mena/20 ... -increase/

[Bugtownboy]

I’d absolutely support Carbon Credits - as long as they’re not subverted by the rich and famous through dodgy green schemes.

As long as there’s a multiple of 68 million (or wherever we’re at) distributed equally that can be traded, banked, saved etc to achieve a National Carbon Target, bring it on.

Perhaps it’s the best way of equalling/levelling up and moving away from a society, seemingly, solely based on money.

[Ken]

Only good can come from this and the gas.

I really like the carbon credits idea but when considering petrol/diesel in a way we already have it. The users pay huge amount of tax on the stuff and non users dont, the end result is much the same. What we need is a carbon tax but have no doubts that is coming once they sort it out Internationally.

[Stinsy]

FF used for road transport is indeed taxed heavily. But FF gas used to heat homes, cook food, and generate electricity is effectively subsidised.