how much energy is wasted driving a petrol car

[dan_b]

Just looked back at some old photos of the first long road trip I did in my 2019 Model 3 Long Range back in 2020
1935 miles around France at an average of 295Wh/mile. Which back then felt like a bit of an adventure into the unknown.
It was all routed via Tesla Superchargers, and there was busy one where I had to queue, but goodness me it really was not an issue 5 years ago and the charging infrastructure has massively increased since then.

I had that car 4 years (replaced it with the 2023 Model 3 Performance I now have). Service requirement in that time was wiper blades, 4 new tires, upper suspension arm bushes, two rear light clusters (water ingress) and replacement cabin filters. Light clusters and suspension bushings were done under warranty.

The car is still in use in our company, is on 66,000 miles, and has since only had replacement wiper arms.

[Joeboy]

Battery coolant & brake fluid replaced. New remote fob battery & pollen filter, woohoo!

The downside is that this is a fixed service cost of £469. For that the 2 yr roadside assistance is renewed/extended, service book stamped. The next service at 60,000miles is under £200.

Them's the breaks!



Come the day we replace this car we'll likely go for another Hyundai EV. Maybe not as expensive as the Ioniq5 though. Hoping the general EV range continues to creep up.

One thing that gets on my tit's is that on the last software update the car now decides when you are low on miles and will redirect you to a charge point. By this I mean it changes your satnav destination without asking. I don't like that and apparently it's not reversible.

A small point but it's caught me out twice.



My ideal car was beginning to be a 350/380 mile LR Model Y as that's Edinburgh and back on 1 home charge even in winter. The recent fallout though on Tesla has made me come up short on that thought. Which is a shame, even if the guy is a bit of a bellend it doesn't mean the car owners are too. Yet the small minded invisible cowardly backlash has begun.

[Stinsy]

On most EVs the only service item is the pollen filter and the wiper blades.

The rear brakes on my iD4 are designed to last the life of the vehicle and are non-serviceable. Many people are getting 150k miles out of a set of front pads. There is no engine oil, the coolant is "lifetime".

You boldly called other forum members "ignorant". I'm interested in understanding what servicing you imagine EVs require?

I most certainly did not.
Look up the word ignorance, then read the bracketed comment after what i said.

You can try and twist that, or you can see it how it was worded, specifically to avoid this type of BS.

A quick google tells me that an iD4 service schedule is indeed more than just a pollen filter change, and that the pads are replaceable. This ignores the fact the iD4 is not the sole EV on the road, and others will differ in service items and scheduling, but you can add suspension, tyres, lights and battery to your list as a bare minimum of servicable items.

You're starting to get on my nerves.

I do know what "ignorant" means. And I know that you absolutely intended to try some smarmy "I'm gonna insult someone but then pretend I didn't" maneuver. You should know that you look worse trying that nonsense than if you'd just said it plainly.

What I said about the iD4 brakes and service requirements is correct. Your "gotcha" attempt is making you look a bit silly.

You can keep going on the "EVs aren't for long journeys" or "EVs require more maintenance than ICEVs" arguments if you like, but you're going to look even sillier than you already do. Sure a decade ago people made those arguments, they were wrong then, now EVERYONE knows they were and are wrong. Even the most ignorant of EV hating fossil fuel enthusiasts no longer makes those arguments. So why are you?

[Joeboy]

Just looked back at some old photos of the first long road trip I did in my 2019 Model 3 Long Range back in 2020
1935 miles around France at an average of 295Wh/mile. Which back then felt like a bit of an adventure into the unknown.
It was all routed via Tesla Superchargers, and there was busy one where I had to queue, but goodness me it really was not an issue 5 years ago and the charging infrastructure has massively increased since then.

I had that car 4 years (replaced it with the 2023 Model 3 Performance I now have). Service requirement in that time was wiper blades, 4 new tires, upper suspension arm bushes, two rear light clusters (water ingress) and replacement cabin filters. Light clusters and suspension bushings were done under warranty.

The car is still in use in our company, is on 66,000 miles, and has since only had replacement wiper arms.

I remember that trip. I was amazed at the robust & plentiful nature of the Tesla charge network.The Tesla charging network is I'd say the best in Europe/UK? BP pulse is good but dear. Chargeplace Scotland has a lot of broken chargers but is considerably cheaper than BP Pulse. Tesla seem to have a good balance of price and reliability?

[NoraBatty]

On most EVs the only service item is the pollen filter and the wiper blades.

The rear brakes on my iD4 are designed to last the life of the vehicle and are non-serviceable. Many people are getting 150k miles out of a set of front pads. There is no engine oil, the coolant is "lifetime".

You boldly called other forum members "ignorant". I'm interested in understanding what servicing you imagine EVs require?

I most certainly did not.
Look up the word ignorance, then read the bracketed comment after what i said.

You can try and twist that, or you can see it how it was worded, specifically to avoid this type of BS.

A quick google tells me that an iD4 service schedule is indeed more than just a pollen filter change, and that the pads are replaceable. This ignores the fact the iD4 is not the sole EV on the road, and others will differ in service items and scheduling, but you can add suspension, tyres, lights and battery to your list as a bare minimum of servicable items.

You're starting to get on my nerves.

I do know what "ignorant" means. And I know that you absolutely intended to try some smarmy "I'm gonna insult someone but then pretend I didn't" maneuver. You should know that you look worse trying that nonsense than if you'd just said it plainly.

What I said about the iD4 brakes and service requirements is correct. Your "gotcha" attempt is making you look a bit silly.

You can keep going on the "EVs aren't for long journeys" or "EVs require more maintenance than ICEVs" arguments if you like, but you're going to look even sillier than you already do. Sure a decade ago people made those arguments, they were wrong then, now EVERYONE knows they were and are wrong. Even the most ignorant of EV hating fossil fuel enthusiasts no longer makes those arguments. So why are you?

You seem to make a hell of alot of assumptions from anothers written words, that have no bearing on what was actually said. Repeatedly.
Not just with me. With multiple people on here.

Ive not said anything at all that you allude to above.
Go and quote where i wrote any of that BS if you are so sure of yourself.
You have assumed what isnt there, then added a context of your own to those words, and let it wind you up.

I have confidence that everyone else on this forum took what was said exactly how it was written with no underlying tone, except you.

As for your assertions that EV hating FF lovers no longer make those assumptions, it is still very much the opposite out in the wider population that is this forum.

And even then, it still is not an accurate portrayal of my view or opinion.
Which, once again, I am best placed to know, and I am completely entitled to air.

Unless you can prove the BS youve just stated, dont bother replying. There is nothing left to say to someone who reads what they want to read.

[Moxi]

Just looked back at some old photos of the first long road trip I did in my 2019 Model 3 Long Range back in 2020
1935 miles around France at an average of 295Wh/mile. Which back then felt like a bit of an adventure into the unknown.
It was all routed via Tesla Superchargers, and there was busy one where I had to queue, but goodness me it really was not an issue 5 years ago and the charging infrastructure has massively increased since then.

I had that car 4 years (replaced it with the 2023 Model 3 Performance I now have). Service requirement in that time was wiper blades, 4 new tires, upper suspension arm bushes, two rear light clusters (water ingress) and replacement cabin filters. Light clusters and suspension bushings were done under warranty.

The car is still in use in our company, is on 66,000 miles, and has since only had replacement wiper arms.

I remember that trip. I was amazed at the robust & plentiful nature of the Tesla charge network.The Tesla charging network is I'd say the best in Europe/UK? BP pulse is good but dear. Chargeplace Scotland has a lot of broken chargers but is considerably cheaper than BP Pulse. Tesla seem to have a good balance of price and reliability?

It was reading exploits like that, and by others, which gave me the confidence I needed to take the BEV plunge, I don’t mind saying that in 39 years of motoring my Kia EV6 is my favourite vehicle by a country mile.

Moxi

[Stinsy]

I most certainly did not.
Look up the word ignorance, then read the bracketed comment after what i said.

You can try and twist that, or you can see it how it was worded, specifically to avoid this type of BS.

A quick google tells me that an iD4 service schedule is indeed more than just a pollen filter change, and that the pads are replaceable. This ignores the fact the iD4 is not the sole EV on the road, and others will differ in service items and scheduling, but you can add suspension, tyres, lights and battery to your list as a bare minimum of servicable items.

You're starting to get on my nerves.

I do know what "ignorant" means. And I know that you absolutely intended to try some smarmy "I'm gonna insult someone but then pretend I didn't" maneuver. You should know that you look worse trying that nonsense than if you'd just said it plainly.

What I said about the iD4 brakes and service requirements is correct. Your "gotcha" attempt is making you look a bit silly.

You can keep going on the "EVs aren't for long journeys" or "EVs require more maintenance than ICEVs" arguments if you like, but you're going to look even sillier than you already do. Sure a decade ago people made those arguments, they were wrong then, now EVERYONE knows they were and are wrong. Even the most ignorant of EV hating fossil fuel enthusiasts no longer makes those arguments. So why are you?

You seem to make a hell of alot of assumptions from anothers written words, that have no bearing on what was actually said. Repeatedly.
Not just with me. With multiple people on here.

Ive not said anything at all that you allude to above.
Go and quote where i wrote any of that BS if you are so sure of yourself.
You have assumed what isnt there, then added a context of your own to those words, and let it wind you up.

I have confidence that everyone else on this forum took what was said exactly how it was written with no underlying tone, except you.

As for your assertions that EV hating FF lovers no longer make those assumptions, it is still very much the opposite out in the wider population that is this forum.

And even then, it still is not an accurate portrayal of my view or opinion.
Which, once again, I am best placed to know, and I am completely entitled to air.

Unless you can prove the BS youve just stated, dont bother replying. There is nothing left to say to someone who reads what they want to read.

Maybe you need to read this thread again?

And, maybe you need to have a think about why you're putting so much effort into defending fossil fuels?

[NoraBatty]

You're starting to get on my nerves.

I do know what "ignorant" means. And I know that you absolutely intended to try some smarmy "I'm gonna insult someone but then pretend I didn't" maneuver. You should know that you look worse trying that nonsense than if you'd just said it plainly.

What I said about the iD4 brakes and service requirements is correct. Your "gotcha" attempt is making you look a bit silly.

You can keep going on the "EVs aren't for long journeys" or "EVs require more maintenance than ICEVs" arguments if you like, but you're going to look even sillier than you already do. Sure a decade ago people made those arguments, they were wrong then, now EVERYONE knows they were and are wrong. Even the most ignorant of EV hating fossil fuel enthusiasts no longer makes those arguments. So why are you?

You seem to make a hell of alot of assumptions from anothers written words, that have no bearing on what was actually said. Repeatedly.
Not just with me. With multiple people on here.

Ive not said anything at all that you allude to above.
Go and quote where i wrote any of that BS if you are so sure of yourself.
You have assumed what isnt there, then added a context of your own to those words, and let it wind you up.

I have confidence that everyone else on this forum took what was said exactly how it was written with no underlying tone, except you.

As for your assertions that EV hating FF lovers no longer make those assumptions, it is still very much the opposite out in the wider population that is this forum.

And even then, it still is not an accurate portrayal of my view or opinion.
Which, once again, I am best placed to know, and I am completely entitled to air.

Unless you can prove the BS youve just stated, dont bother replying. There is nothing left to say to someone who reads what they want to read.

Maybe you need to read this thread again?

And, maybe you need to have a think about why you're putting so much effort into defending fossil fuels?

Where is your proof ive defended fossil fuels?

[Stinsy]

You seem to make a hell of alot of assumptions from anothers written words, that have no bearing on what was actually said. Repeatedly.
Not just with me. With multiple people on here.

Ive not said anything at all that you allude to above.
Go and quote where i wrote any of that BS if you are so sure of yourself.
You have assumed what isnt there, then added a context of your own to those words, and let it wind you up.

I have confidence that everyone else on this forum took what was said exactly how it was written with no underlying tone, except you.

As for your assertions that EV hating FF lovers no longer make those assumptions, it is still very much the opposite out in the wider population that is this forum.

And even then, it still is not an accurate portrayal of my view or opinion.
Which, once again, I am best placed to know, and I am completely entitled to air.

Unless you can prove the BS youve just stated, dont bother replying. There is nothing left to say to someone who reads what they want to read.

Maybe you need to read this thread again?

And, maybe you need to have a think about why you're putting so much effort into defending fossil fuels?

Where is your proof ive defended fossil fuels?

Really? You're going with that?

Sorry mate I should have ended the conversation when you called me "ignorant". And I definitely should've ended it when you tried the "well I meant the dictionary definition didn't mean to offend anyone" nonsense. You go into any pub in the country and try that, I guarantee you'll get your face smashed in. Just because this is the internet and you're out of arms reach doesn't give you the right to be obnoxious.

[Joeboy]

Just looked back at some old photos of the first long road trip I did in my 2019 Model 3 Long Range back in 2020
1935 miles around France at an average of 295Wh/mile. Which back then felt like a bit of an adventure into the unknown.
It was all routed via Tesla Superchargers, and there was busy one where I had to queue, but goodness me it really was not an issue 5 years ago and the charging infrastructure has massively increased since then.

I had that car 4 years (replaced it with the 2023 Model 3 Performance I now have). Service requirement in that time was wiper blades, 4 new tires, upper suspension arm bushes, two rear light clusters (water ingress) and replacement cabin filters. Light clusters and suspension bushings were done under warranty.

The car is still in use in our company, is on 66,000 miles, and has since only had replacement wiper arms.

I remember that trip. I was amazed at the robust & plentiful nature of the Tesla charge network.The Tesla charging network is I'd say the best in Europe/UK? BP pulse is good but dear. Chargeplace Scotland has a lot of broken chargers but is considerably cheaper than BP Pulse. Tesla seem to have a good balance of price and reliability?

It was reading exploits like that, and by others, which gave me the confidence I needed to take the BEV plunge, I don’t mind saying that in 39 years of motoring my Kia EV6 is my favourite vehicle by a country mile.

Moxi

Similar here, the leaf then the I5 have been great cars. Enjoyed every minute. Glad you enjoy the Kia too.

Thought- the herd is said to be running for the exits. There is a new model Y coming out. I've got thick skin and simply don't give a hoot.

Buying opportunity?

Not this particular car. I just grabbed one off Autotrader as an example. RWD, 380 mile range. Tesla charging network. Just need a "No really, Not a Nazi' bumpersticker and we'd be good to go.

That's a hell of a lot of car with strong infrastructure underpinning it. Hmmn...