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https://electrek.co/2023/04/17/check-ou ... ric-sedan/

No way that'll get 435 miles even with an 86kWh usable battery pack, no way.

Still, at least it's not an SUV.

Model 3 Long Range gets 389 miles WLTP on 74 kWh usable. For the ID.7 to do 435 miles would need 83 kWh usable at the same efficiency: battery sizes on offer are 77 and 86 kWh, so it looks pretty plausible to me. Remember that WLTP is NOT real-world range.

There's no way I'd have an iD4 now if the iD7 wagon was available when I placed my order (I'm more of a family estate man an SUV isn't my natural style).

I really don't understand why anyone needs 400 miles of range though. And I don't understand why anyone needs to charge faster than 100kW rapid charging!

My iD4 has 250 miles of real world range. Aberdeen is 375 miles away. Ionity Polmadie is 239 miles away, I'd need to take on 31kWh to reach Aberdeen which would take about 20 mins at 100kW. But I'd need to stop more than once and for more than 20 mins on a 7hr drive. If I had the Mrs and kids on board I daren't think how many times I'd have to stop and for how long.

Cars already outdrive their driver/passengers. There is simply no need for bigger batteries or faster charging. I'd much rather 8x 350kW chargers be replaced with 28x 100kW ones!

Stinsy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:56 pmThere's no way I'd have an iD4 now if the iD7 wagon was available when I placed my order (I'm more of a family estate man an SUV isn't my natural style).

Same here, and looking at the photos of the boot it's pretty much the electric estate car I've been craving.

Stinsy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:56 pmI really don't understand why anyone needs 400 miles of range though. And I don't understand why anyone needs to charge faster than 100kW rapid charging!

Remember it's a headline figure when running a standard test procedure - and so 400 miles WLTP translates into ~320 miles in real life with average people. Given that many potential customers are still nervous about charging infrastructure and batteries aren't all that expensive, it seems like a reasonable trade-off.

Stinsy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:56 pmCars already outdrive their driver/passengers. There is simply no need for bigger batteries or faster charging. I'd much rather 8x 350kW chargers be replaced with 28x 100kW ones!

Realistically that's already starting to happen. You're going to have 112 x 25kW modules each capable of being attached to any one of the charging heads. That makes it cheap to put a load more heads on there, so it's no longer so important that people disconnect as soon as they've got enough juice.

Good to see, but concerned VW can make them profitably and at scale?

https://thedriven.io/2023/03/17/not-eas ... -too-late/

Surely this will go the way of the ICE over the last few decades.
Batteries will get smaller and more efficient due to technological advances and just like garages there will be a need for less of them.
In the 80’s there were garages everywhere, how many are around now compared to them, 30%, I have no idea on the figure but they are all car washes now!

Stinsy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:56 pm There's no way I'd have an iD4 now if the iD7 wagon was available when I placed my order (I'm more of a family estate man an SUV isn't my natural style).

I really don't understand why anyone needs 400 miles of range though. And I don't understand why anyone needs to charge faster than 100kW rapid charging!

My iD4 has 250 miles of real world range. Aberdeen is 375 miles away. Ionity Polmadie is 239 miles away, I'd need to take on 31kWh to reach Aberdeen which would take about 20 mins at 100kW. But I'd need to stop more than once and for more than 20 mins on a 7hr drive. If I had the Mrs and kids on board I daren't think how many times I'd have to stop and for how long.

Cars already outdrive their driver/passengers. There is simply no need for bigger batteries or faster charging. I'd much rather 8x 350kW chargers be replaced with 28x 100kW ones!

For me, if you have 250 miles of worst case winter range, that would work the vast majority of the time - I drive 200 miles for a work week away 1 in 3, so having a bit of spare capacity is essential to avoid range anxiety, and I wouldn't want to risk being stuck waiting for a charger.
But it's the same old problem, bigger capacity equals more batteries equals heavier, which needs more batteries (for now).
Be interesting to see if new battery chemistry or increased drive efficiency or faster charging speeds makes up the numbers fastest

Stinsy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:56 pm There's no way I'd have an iD4 now if the iD7 wagon was available when I placed my order (I'm more of a family estate man an SUV isn't my natural style).

I really don't understand why anyone needs 400 miles of range though. And I don't understand why anyone needs to charge faster than 100kW rapid charging!

My iD4 has 250 miles of real world range. Aberdeen is 375 miles away. Ionity Polmadie is 239 miles away, I'd need to take on 31kWh to reach Aberdeen which would take about 20 mins at 100kW. But I'd need to stop more than once and for more than 20 mins on a 7hr drive. If I had the Mrs and kids on board I daren't think how many times I'd have to stop and for how long.

Cars already outdrive their driver/passengers. There is simply no need for bigger batteries or faster charging. I'd much rather 8x 350kW chargers be replaced with 28x 100kW ones!

Well said, stinsy, my first thought on the sh1t-show from vw was ..if it took stinsy this long to get his unit then how many delays till we see the larger model hit the floor? (not the sea-bed).

& yes, more chargers of a lower rate, hitting busy tesla charger queues at peak can be 10 minutes at the current rste of ownership, would also prefer to see more at the likes of thetford at a slower rate, you would not be leaving later but you could park your car & start relaxing sooner.
Can get very busy on that site as it pretty much feeds in a lot of east anglian bulge whilst straddling the edge of the midlands & the northern route means it gets hit hard numerous times per day.

It gets a tonne of traffic just for the mtb-ers alone, never mind the general populace, the usaf bases & the bloody centre parcs. ..& we are not even "mainstream" ev ownership, though juding by the amount of non waving ev drivers these days you'd think we were.

The other side of the coin about rapid charging is that it's not necessarily about it being faster as a benefit for the car owner, but a faster charge means a higher throughput for the charging stalls - therefore you can charge more cars per stall per day if each session is taking 10mins instead of 20...

richbee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 8:38 am

Stinsy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:56 pm There's no way I'd have an iD4 now if the iD7 wagon was available when I placed my order (I'm more of a family estate man an SUV isn't my natural style).

I really don't understand why anyone needs 400 miles of range though. And I don't understand why anyone needs to charge faster than 100kW rapid charging!

My iD4 has 250 miles of real world range. Aberdeen is 375 miles away. Ionity Polmadie is 239 miles away, I'd need to take on 31kWh to reach Aberdeen which would take about 20 mins at 100kW. But I'd need to stop more than once and for more than 20 mins on a 7hr drive. If I had the Mrs and kids on board I daren't think how many times I'd have to stop and for how long.

Cars already outdrive their driver/passengers. There is simply no need for bigger batteries or faster charging. I'd much rather 8x 350kW chargers be replaced with 28x 100kW ones!

For me, if you have 250 miles of worst case winter range, that would work the vast majority of the time - I drive 200 miles for a work week away 1 in 3, so having a bit of spare capacity is essential to avoid range anxiety, and I wouldn't want to risk being stuck waiting for a charger.
But it's the same old problem, bigger capacity equals more batteries equals heavier, which needs more batteries (for now).
Be interesting to see if new battery chemistry or increased drive efficiency or faster charging speeds makes up the numbers fastest

Thinking about it again, one reason you would want longer range is to reduce the amount of expensive 'fill ups' you have to get from roadside chargers - one of the big benefits of an EV is that you fill up at home much cheaper than from external chargers - if you have to do a lot of miles on long journeys, eg. for work - it could make all the difference to the economics.