Any good electricians here ?
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 11:24 pm
Posting here because unsure where to post it and it involves a generator.
LONG STORY but ---------------- large Dairy farm with wind turbine /some solar ....... Single phase ...
Replaced 2x vacuum pumps (dairy milking machines -each 3kw) with 2 new variable speed pumps for energy saving. These are 2 x 4kw three phase motors fitted with Yaskawa single to 3 phase inverters. These work really well on mains power with low speeds on a vacuum on demand controller.
(for info -old vacuum pumps run flat out and vacuum level is maintained for admitting air via a vacuum regulator )
(new variable speed pumps run according to demand -typically 40-60% energy saving cos they run slow )
Mains power = no problems.
Recently had a power cut and connected tractor driven generator -result =new variable speed vacuum pumps will not run ......... Either generator inbuilt RCD80A-100ma trips or Wall socket (generator is plugged into) trips (100ARCD-100ma).
Visited farm today .........ran Generator and @ 230v / 50hz with <10amps load -engage variable speed pumps (even 1 only) and one trip will trip-(no pattern -may be 80A or 100A).
Running "old " vacuum pumps (2 x 3kw single phase) no problem.
Not believing its a "power" issue and may be related to RCD ???
I disconnected the earth cable to the "new" vacuum pumps and the generator will start 1 pump only -not 2 at same time....
I am not a qualified electrican BUT cannot work out why mains power starts and runs both variable speed pumps with no tripping/power issues with correct earthing installed.
Generator rated @ 80A will not start even one pump with low background load and trips.
Removing earth lets it start ? wtf??
Need to add this farm has multiple CU's and generator is fed through 2 x change over switches -first change over switch( other farm buildings ??) if not in off position generator trips always .........??????
Unsure if more than one electric supply ?? and totally out of depth BUT .........
Old vac pumps run on mains and generator.
New vac pumps run on mains only -trip generator .
Feeling lucky ............. lol
LONG STORY but ---------------- large Dairy farm with wind turbine /some solar ....... Single phase ...
Replaced 2x vacuum pumps (dairy milking machines -each 3kw) with 2 new variable speed pumps for energy saving. These are 2 x 4kw three phase motors fitted with Yaskawa single to 3 phase inverters. These work really well on mains power with low speeds on a vacuum on demand controller.
(for info -old vacuum pumps run flat out and vacuum level is maintained for admitting air via a vacuum regulator )
(new variable speed pumps run according to demand -typically 40-60% energy saving cos they run slow )
Mains power = no problems.
Recently had a power cut and connected tractor driven generator -result =new variable speed vacuum pumps will not run ......... Either generator inbuilt RCD80A-100ma trips or Wall socket (generator is plugged into) trips (100ARCD-100ma).
Visited farm today .........ran Generator and @ 230v / 50hz with <10amps load -engage variable speed pumps (even 1 only) and one trip will trip-(no pattern -may be 80A or 100A).
Running "old " vacuum pumps (2 x 3kw single phase) no problem.
Not believing its a "power" issue and may be related to RCD ???
I disconnected the earth cable to the "new" vacuum pumps and the generator will start 1 pump only -not 2 at same time....
I am not a qualified electrican BUT cannot work out why mains power starts and runs both variable speed pumps with no tripping/power issues with correct earthing installed.
Generator rated @ 80A will not start even one pump with low background load and trips.
Removing earth lets it start ? wtf??
Need to add this farm has multiple CU's and generator is fed through 2 x change over switches -first change over switch( other farm buildings ??) if not in off position generator trips always .........??????
Unsure if more than one electric supply ?? and totally out of depth BUT .........
Old vac pumps run on mains and generator.
New vac pumps run on mains only -trip generator .
Feeling lucky ............. lol