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What's the problem with this "young" expensive building?

Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 1:00 pm
by Mr Gus
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... entre-shut

What's the gen here, buffeting winds putting stress through badly specced materials? ..build bodge from the start? ..a lot of lottery funding pished away and a quiet withdrawal & demolition?

..plus begging more funds for new land & build? :evil:

Context is lacking within the piece, is the roof a walk on, stare down "vision"

Re: What's the problem with this "young" expensive building?

Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 1:38 pm
by Swwils
Look at the location, I bet they didn't put this on a tidal platform and they've made a immoveable concrete wedge that tries to best the force of tide.

Physics tip; you won't win.

I just read the fix cost is 45m +, so yeah sounds like foundation issues rather than a roof job. Maybe they did no tide land movement analysis at all.

Re: What's the problem with this "young" expensive building?

Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:11 pm
by Mr Gus
Hmm, so I went to the wiki page, (the glass centres own website seems to be host hijacked)
& "roof glass" is indeed an architects wet dream of "design influenced play" & all the stresses that places upon glass.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_ ... rney83.jpg

"The National Glass Centre is constructed from glass and steel. Visitors can walk on its glass roof and look down into the centre below. There is a total of 3,250 square metres of glass on the roof, and it can hold 460 people on at any one time. Each glass panel on the roof is 6 cm thick"

Rust, leaks and broken glazing – and high repair costs – have been blamed for plan to shut ‘world-class’ venue ..so we have 1 of 3 if all the broken panels have been the 6cm thick units (unlikely given early required maintainence due to rust & leaks)

snippet..

GSSArchitecture considered various refurbishment options in its study of the building’s structure. It did not recommend the lowest cost option of more than doubling the maintenance budget and incurring one-off capital costs of £2.4m because of the future risk of structural failure. A second option was roof replacement at a cost £45m, and a third was a rebuild with a vertical extension at a cost of £72.3m.

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Original build cost to 1998 opening was 17 million pounds, inclusive of 6.9 million lottery fund granted funding for the initial build (no idea of funding since) ..very poor outcome, looks like liability will go away as a face saving exercise.

Wonder what stresses would have been avoided if it wasn't a play area & merely a roof?

However, if you look at google maps streetview link & click walk around the building there is not much roof, more slab paving than anything, so it is misleading.
https://www.google.com/maps/@54.9134521 ... 384!8i8192

I can say that we had a 1960's outdoor, underground carparking & govt buildings shopping area near us that was eventually knocked down some 15 years ago, it was concrete slab supports, overlaid with grey concrete paving slabs, ..similar to this actually ..& it leaked like a devil, not least of all because design was open concrete guttering, metal downpipes into the carpark area which was partially open to the elements (central feature) ..not surprisingly it was a centrepiece of the "crap towns" book series. ( https://craptowns.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/huntingdon/ ) NB the crap towns pic was after it was done up "whilst waiting to be knocked down" a short term improvement spend that went under the bulldozer very shortly afterwards which did ease the repetitious slant of 1000 wonky concrete paving slabs a little)

The uppermost "walking area" access for shops etc, sloped & undulated for as long as I can remember, so I'm wondering what the weight effect of all that slab is on the underpinnings & membrane, there is actually very little glass roof surface area.

Re: What's the problem with this "young" expensive building?

Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:01 am
by Mr Gus
If you go on google maps link that 3000+ sq metres can hardly be seen, is that a listings error or are the slabs a cheap assed finishing of this building ?