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What are the odds.on.another US military service personnel member "suddenly" leaving the uk & claiming diplomatic immunity!?

(also what will be the political fallout if he does)?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... -collision

Would they have the.gall to.spirit another one.away?

Mr Gus wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 11:51 pmWhat are the odds.on.another US military service personnel member "suddenly" leaving the uk & claiming diplomatic immunity!?

Unlikely - the last one ran away before she could be charged, this guy is reported as appearing before magistrates.

You crash a car through a wall, hit kids in the process, then plead innocent!?

Trial goes tocourt in december after occuring in february, what is the mitigating circumstance, ice? taking a phone call whilst driving that affected the future of the world !?

If he therefore goes to court rather than be pulled out overnight nearer the time by the usaf on an excuse of needed elsewhere urgently & diplomatic immunity slapped in place (like the last one was for the non military "wife") what then? there will be no sentence here due to american "allergies" to time served & claims of secrets put at risk... so would be BS in terms of actual justice & rubberstamped by uk lickspittles as a matter of course.I

So has he been instructed what to do on the basis of his govt putting pressure on which will get heavier as things progress & peter out?

Whilst the kids were not killed (in this instance) you have to search quite hard for reportage on this one, which the case surrounding Harry dunn's death maybe they cannot afford to be seen to do unless its a last chance solution to airlift him out if all else fails (call me cynical)

You reckon a negotiated settlement with the kids parents is ongoing with enough space to resolve itself by december? at which point CPS instructed to drop it either completely or fudge it?I

I remember how it went with a squaddie who hit & run my mates car when young, the mil police turned the heat on him to keep it under their jurisdiction (off base hit & run) ..obviously with the status & site nearby, the damage limitation office will be busy on this one..

Ann Sacloos who had by then run away received a suspended sentence which meant she got away with it completely, the americans on the other hand demand & get extradition for those who slighted them, in the main.

I don't hold out for much of a conviction & punishment as meted out to the rest of us by uk "law"

Trump even had a whitehouse no blame meeting with sacloos family hidden in another room, such is the pressure to get us citizens off the hook.

There's a big sentencing difference between Death by Dangerous Driving and Injury by Careless Driving.

Yes, agreed, but the similarities are there to be seen as another USAF "essential to the security" ..blah blah worker and Sacoolas was merely the wife of a diplomat.

Sacoolas was "co-operating by definition with the police, & likely would have been told not to leave the country.

She fled, carried on her life in the states, & the eventual, costly uk sentence meant nothing, she didn't even have the balls to say, regardless of distance I will follow the banfor the duration & not get behind the wheel, ..that would have been seen as something like penance, understanding, sorrow & guilt ...but no, entitled bitch carries on regardless doing her own thing.

She did one of those "i'll co-operate, continue sympathy, thoughts prayers, heart go's out statements" that are merely empty words, i'm thinking that the same scenario of fleeing regardless of kids not (happily) being killed could still play out if the yanks feel it all gets a bit squeaky bum.

I'm tempted to put a tenner on it, based on US evac history

I also get the feeling that the Harry Dunn death is deemed to recent history by US diplomats to follow the same pattern again unless (as above) "squeaky"

Mr Gus wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 10:11 am You crash a car through a wall, hit kids in the process, then plead innocent!?

He does not appear to be the one who crashed the car through a wall as he was driving a Vauxhall Astra, personally I'd wait till the court case before passing any judgement. I thought in the UK you are innocent until proven guilty.

https://thestrayferret.co.uk/man-charge ... teenagers/

Like I said nowty info on it was hard to find compared to the usual throw ups of a web search, nowhere I read mentioned him NOT being the driver!

As for the law system, CPS & cops do go for easy prosecutions as part of quota that is well known.
IF, as you say he wasn't the driver I am curious as to how the story got legs in the first place, I did not hear of it in feb (when it happened) only the other day, & regardless, the Harry Dunn episode leaves me feeling majorly pissed, the US embassies are scumbags for demanding "justice" whilst refusing others elsewhere, which is a reason to be dubious.

"justice" generally means fair swap outs not outright refusals to follow the letter of the law you expect other countries to drop their pants & be shafted,

Who was the driver?

Again bear in mind how the Sacoolas status of immunity shifted as it progressed, what are you meant to take away from that?

ok, read that piece, it stated "Police said a second man who was interviewed under caution will face no further action"

EDIT, got thrown by the guy Benjamin , not being stated as a colonel / USAF in that piece compared to the guardian.

How come no pictures / statement that the astra he was driving was not the one typically pictured? ..misleading reportage.

Maybe if he had a knife on him they would have arrested him.

Anyhow the thread is primarily about whether or not "removal" will be used, (& maybe how often the USAF & others) uses this action.

You couldn't get much more mismanaged than sacoolas (who did not even call the police / ambulance left that to another driver who stopped) ..apparently she alerted the base police, which presumably meant either driving off, or sprinting back to the base proper, however she had 3 children in the vehicle.

This may also mean that "sorry as claims she was" she likely did not assist nor comfort the teen (who was able to speak to attending ambulance crew before he died & i.d. her as the other party involved) ..what is the protocol for USAF in these situations I wonder?

Bearing in mind the amount of milite / families connected to bases, perhaps we are better off knowing what it is in order to know how to deal with it ahead of time.