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Guardian letters I have only just noticed: https://www.theguardian.com/science/202 ... atastrophe (the-building-blocks-needed-to-prevent-climate-catastrophe )
I will post it all in case the link stops working
As ever, George Monbiot hits the nail on the head with his article emphasising the need to reduce building, especially roads that just exacerbate climate degradation (We can’t build our way out of the environmental crisis, 1 September). In particular, we all need to use less of everything and adopt the lifestyle mantra that “less is more”.

This is essential to reverse the vast number of lifestyle items that we have been persuaded to adopt over the past 20-30 years. These range from water sold to us in plastic bottles, to the “need” to travel further, faster, and in greater comfort. With a small amount of willpower, it is quite easy to adopt a slower, less carbon-intensive and more rewarding lifestyle. It remains an uphill struggle to convince others to follow suit and help bring about the “levelling up” needed to avoid further climate catastrophes.
Dr Michael Symonds
Sutton Bonington, Leicestershire

George Monbiot and Rob Loveday (Letters, 31 August) touch upon the same theme from opposite directions, reminding me of the 1950s proposal for a Ministry of Thatching. We can compare our progress towards zero carbon and sustainability with Germany, where since 2006, 5% of houses a year are being retrofitted to a zero-carbon standard (Passivhaus). The driver for this is that pound for pound, reducing energy waste is quicker and more efficient than any new generating system. Since most domestic heating comes from gas, this would help towards the UK’s 2030 emissions target. The present UK figure for zero-energy housing is under 4%, and at 200,000 new houses a year, it will take more than 100 years to match Germany in 2026.

As the “Strong Towns” movement shows, new infrastructure, no matter how it is justified, helps make us poorer, since we cannot afford to maintain it – witness the potholed roads everywhere. In terms of travel, cars still dominate, yet most journeys are short and made in towns, which HS2 cannot address. Long journeys make up less than 2% of all UK travel.

Many urban car trips can be attracted to rail, and, as Monbiot proposes, trams giving 90% of the benefit of an underground line at 10% of the cost are one of few infrastructure investments that, by attracting trips that would otherwise be made by car, will reduce carbon and urban pollution.
Prof Lewis Lesley
Liverpool

I agree with George Monbiot that environmental change cannot be delivered by technological innovation alone. It needs to be accompanied by social change: travelling less, as well as travelling better, for example. My suggestion is a revolution in car use.

I propose a drastic reduction in the ownership and use of private cars, in favour of a greatly increased and coordinated taxi service. The development of electric and automated vehicles would make this easier. It need not be seen as sacrifice: how would readers appreciate the reduction in traffic in our towns and cities, the drop in noise and air pollution, the financial benefit of no car ownership and maintenance, the reduced road traffic accidents, and no parking or breakdown worries? Just sit back and relax. No need to learn to drive even for many of us, perhaps.

I know that we would need to make major adjustments to accommodate longer trips and holiday travel, but we manage to do this when we go abroad, so why not at home too?
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I'm a strong believer that autonomous vehicles will prove to be cheaper to use, than to own and operate a personal vehicle, once they arrive.

I know that Tony Seba has put out some excellent lectures on how TAAS (transport as a service) will prove unstoppable economically. And if that's correct we should see something like a 2/3rds or more reduction in the car fleet.

Lots of issues to solve, and more remote/rural areas will take longer, but TAAS does sound very promising. It would also open up huge amounts of car parking space, front drives, clear the majority of parked cars from the sides of the road, speeding up journey times. Fascinating subject.
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Can the person who can solve the transport problem in the countryside please make themselves known 50 years ago please.

The idea of a company like amazon (and all the tax avoidance that go's with it) running a taxi service & therefore "choosing" customers a bit like china & being a "good" citizen allows you to buy a train ticket (or not) is galling.

If you want to kick-start a transport revolution in the UK start with making houses have thoughtfully designed south facing solar capture & shading to full on localised renewable heating, excess export, transport charging (be it a car, E-ped, E-bike or whatever) get rid of the garage maybe & incorporate it into better living space, ((home office))? but also "carport" solar as a shaded & shielded living space extension.

Precisely what we are not doing now.

How will the likes of council road fixing be achieved & insurance / pension industry transition into this?
Will companies running the show be demanding that new roads are made to increase profits? ..how do we deal with all the nastiness that comes with handing stuff over to a massive corporate entity that govt take money from "advising" & are afraid to tackle type thing?

This sort of shift knocks out mechanics, knowledgeable counter staff, sales, tyre fitters et al leaving only more serco type call centres & contract tyre fitters at strategic depots.

It reeks of F. U. anyone outside of the profitable "catchment" also.
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Mr Gus wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:33 pm Can the person who can solve the transport problem in the countryside please make themselves known 50 years ago please.
These people are saying - like me - that we shall have to get used to less of everything, including travel. (I did it back then, by the way. A combination of trains, a bus and the local taxi man booked to meet me and my grandma and our cases at a bus stop for the final 2 or 3 miles to a farm in the South Hams.)

And I have said before (but somehow it doesn't get read or understood) that part of the "less travel" will come from the fact that it will be self-limiting by being less convenient. Again, 30 years ago in the Netherlands there were bike racks at bus shelters on country routes in the middle of nowhere. I have never seen one here. People in the UK just expect to be able to drive wherever they feel like going whenever they want, as though it is a god-given right.

Public transport will have to be improved (back to the coverage we had in the 1950s?) the financial structure ought to allow taxis to play a bigger role for things like hospital visits where the patient can't be expected to use public transport, or other journeys where to use public transport would be totally unreasonable. Which doesn't include "I can't be *rsed," by the way.
Less stuff will be bought, and deliveries might only be once a week. Without these sorts of changes nothing is going to get better.
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The 1950's train system was not the privatised mish mash it is now though right, & to be honest, I'm sick of the UK public transport experience at the hands of both cancelled trains FROM LONDON to the countryside, being left by useless train customer service resulting in another 18 hours added travel time, getting home at midnight due to train eff ups with little to blowback in the offending party.

Getting back at midnight & having only a few hours kip & relationship before it starts again?
Standing room only?
Nowhere to put your bike, be it at the station or on the train
Buses that turning up is "optional" (& it's the last bus at night from a vandalised, no loo, no lights, bus station)

Horse biscuits. (#ColonelPotter)

Preach all you like on the matter, buses, trains, lots of walking, cycling, lifts, taxi's it's how I've had to function since I suffered my first head injury & it screws you over professionally, exhausts you physically, drastically reduces work & home life downtime etc.


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People seem to have forgotten quite how diabolical the old government-owned companies were!

However bad you might feel the railways are now, they where much worse when they were government-owned!
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P.S.. what's the taxpayer liability for "only when it is extremely profitable" private rail franchise costs for the length of covid!?
Rail operators came under "emergency measure agreements" from the beginning & are still I believing underwritten by the taxpayer.I

At least sleazy jet has handed the begging bowl to its investors this time round.

Britain's first Privatised TRAIN service was actually a bus incidentally.
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Mr Gus wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:16 pm The 1950's train system was not the privatised mish mash it is now though right, & to be honest, I'm sick of the UK public transport experience at the hands of both cancelled trains FROM LONDON to the countryside, being left by useless train customer service resulting in another 18 hours added travel time, getting home at midnight due to train eff ups with little to blowback in the offending party.
Getting back at midnight & having only a few hours kip & relationship before it starts again?
Standing room only?
Nowhere to put your bike, be it at the station or on the train
Buses that turning up is "optional" (& it's the last bus at night from a vandalised, no loo, no lights, bus station)

Horse biscuits. (#ColonelPotter)

Preach all you like on the matter, buses, trains, lots of walking, cycling, lifts, taxi's it's how I've had to function since I suffered my first head injury & it screws you over professionally, exhausts you physically, drastically reduces work & home life downtime etc.

In two words: "it's sh1t" (see horse biscuits)
I agree that current public transport in the UK leaves a lot to be desired, and I would like to see it (provision and budget) increased 10-fold, but how much of those complaints are down to "modern" expections, compounded by modern business structures?

When I was working in public transport - before BR was broken up - maintaining the advertised offering was paramount Nowadays with the recent history of balkanisation, and each tin-pot "franchise"only concerned about their own bottom line, it seems to be just poorly-trained (unknowledgable) staff and no initiative allowed. Once, way back then, my wife and I arrived at Shrewsbury, having changed at Wolves off a late-running train from Bristol after the service on to Wrexham had finished. I said "What about passengers for Wrexham?" as I got off, I was told "Get back on!" and it ran non-stop to Wrexham, just for us!

Back in the 1950s or '60s, (with very poor, i.e. slow and infrequent train services compared with what we have today - or even at the end of BR) no-one would have dreamt of trying to commute from the Cotswolds or wherever to London, apart from a few company directors who had first class tickets and swanned into the office as late as it suited them.

It's not all bad. Trains are moslty much faster and more frequent. At least nowadays you [should] get all your money back for bad advice and severe delays. And bike parking is also better than I ever remember it being. My dad had to pay for it and have a ticket tied to his handlebars in the station bike shed. Nowadays you can take a bike free on most trains... Not "back then."
On the downside, an obsession with the bottom line over the last decade or two means that many trains are desperately short of capacity - even in these post-Covid times. Not enough rolling stock, and that isn't going to change much any time soon.
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Train companies with compulsory bike reservations
Greater Anglia
London North Eastern Railway
East Midlands Railway (services to and from London and between Liverpool and Norwich)
Great Western Railway (services to and from London)
Trans-Pennine Express
Scot-Rail
South Western Railway (trains to and from London)
Avanti West Coast
Caledonian Sleeper
Hull Trains

Not to mention restrictions of times you can travel with them.

Train companies with recommended (but not compulsory) bike reservations
Transport for Wales (long and medium-distance services)
Caledonian Sleeper
CrossCountry
Lumo
Grand Central Railway (their Adelante trains have 3 bike spaces: 2 can be reserved and 1 is allocated on a first-come, first-served basis)
Note: bikes can travel without a reservation, subject to space.
:cry:
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Mr Gus wrote: Sun Sep 12, 2021 3:00 pm Train companies with compulsory bike reservations
all free, though.
Not to mention restrictions of times you can travel with them.
because there isn't enough room, and being free there is a risk of demand overwhelming what is available.
Train companies with recommended (but not compulsory) bike reservations
Transport for Wales (long and medium-distance services)
Caledonian Sleeper
CrossCountry
Lumo
Grand Central Railway (their Adelante trains have 3 bike spaces: 2 can be reserved and 1 is allocated on a first-come, first-served basis)
Note: bikes can travel without a reservation, subject to space.
:cry:
Recommended, note.

I wish there was more space for bikes, and for passengers too. It's what you get for the last 2 or 3 decades of "investment" - when Westminster or the Treasury control what is procured.
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