‘Rebound effect’ cancels out home insulation’s impact on gas use

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AE-NMidlands
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https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -use-study is interesting.
Conservatories and house extensions could be helping to wipe out the reductions in gas use secured by insulating homes, according to a study that found insulation only provides a short-term fall in energy consumption.

In a surprise finding, the study into the long-term effect of loft and cavity wall insulation in England and Wales showed that the fall in gas consumption for each household was small, with all energy savings disappearing by the fourth year after it had been fitted.

Policy experts at the University of Cambridge said the findings suggested a “rebound effect” in energy use, where changing behaviour cancelled out the reductions in gas use. They also suggested that fitting insulation often happened alongside the building of house extensions, which use extra energy. For households with conservatories, any gains in energy efficiency disappeared after the first year.

The government and opposition parties have championed the retrofitting of homes with insulation as a way of dealing with the energy crisis. Ministers have announced insulation retrofits as a leading part of a programme to reduce the energy consumption of buildings and industry by 15% over the next eight years. Labour has said insulating homes should be a “national mission” that could save people £11bn in three years.

However, researchers said that while insulation was vital for fighting fuel poverty, it was not a “magic bullet” for reducing energy use and should come alongside advice to conserve energy and programmes to install heat pumps in homes.

Researchers said it was hard to identify the exact causes of the rebound effect. However, they stated that turning up the heating, opening windows in stuffy rooms or building extensions could all contribute. They made clear that in circumstances such as the current cost of living crisis, it was possible that energy savings from insulation could be more significant and longer lasting.

“This study does not say that energy efficiency doesn’t work,” said Prof Laura Diaz Anadon, director of the Cambridge Centre for Environment, Energy and Natural Resource Governance, who co-authored the study. “These sorts of efficiency improvements can keep our houses warmer in the winter, cooler in the summer. They might reduce damp, or it might become more affordable to keep your house warm. There are plenty of benefits, especially for low-income households.

“However, home insulation alone is not a magic bullet. These results suggest that to also have the benefits of reduced gas consumption, additional measures are needed. It’s a good opportunity to do even more on things like heat pumps. For short-term reductions in gas consumption, it is also really important to provide consumers with information about what they can do to reduce their usage.”
Interesting. As we get older (SWMBO and I are now around 70) our kids are nagging us to increase our abnormally-low thermostat settings, although I think they are still roughly what they were over the last few decades. For some reason I fitted a programmable thermostat a few years ago and it is set at 16.5 for most of the day, maybe 17 when we are sitting round at lunchtime and in the evening, plus maybe 14.5 overnight. 2-yr moving average gas consumption has crept up a bit over the last couple of years though, possibly since I changed the thermostat.
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I don’t think the masses are ready for heat pumps, complicated controllers, multiple settings, many not changing the habit of a gas boiler compared to the ASHP.

I think the insulation, windows and doors need look at to reduce the demand before the heat pump.
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I visited a friend's house just after Christmas - a complete renovation property done very nicely, external wall insulation, double glazing, modern open plan living area etc and very nice it is too. They even have a 7kW EV charge point so I could charge my car (they're getting an EV next month!). But my goodness was it hot. They have an Aga and that thing was belting out heat and it had nowhere to escape- I was too hot with just a t-shirt on. Was grateful when it was time for bed as I could shut the door and open the window to let some cold in!
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Really interesting. I think there are big benefits from adding conservatories, porches, side extensions etc, but only if they are unheated, as they can act as a buffer between part of the house and the cold outside. But I can see how heating these can make things worse. Just as an example, we had a porch built, and almost all glass. In the winter its closed up tight. In the summer the door and small window are open, but in the shoulder months, once it reaches house temp (there's a temp monitor in there), we lock the porch door and open the front door for heating ..... the cats and doggos love it too, watching the World go by.

Really stupid comment, and I apologise for it in advance, but I've always had a strange idea in the back of my mind, where assuming that a large greenhouse is relatively cheap to construct (and I may be absolutely wrong about that), we could build one over our houses, or half of the house, and amplify the solar gain in the winter.

Of course this would depend on just how well the top could be vented in the summer to get rid of heat. Perhaps the upper glass could be PV panels, to block summer sun, and the winter sun would shine underneath. Stupid idea, but hopefully fun to think about, or simply to laugh at me (good start to 2023) for mentioning it.

Yes, you could build a large part of the house with a glass side, but that would be expensive high quality double/triple glazing, v's a 'cheap' greenhouse?
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There’s a few examples of houses in, effectively, a greenhouse on t’interweb Mart. From memory, the experience was positive.

Be worth having a look.

One example - https://www.intelligentliving.co/swedis ... ound-home/
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Many thanks, kinda cool, and weird. Hadn't considered removing the roof of the house. But now I have another idea for summer cooling .... wait for it ...... the greenhouse is in two halves, like patio windows/doors, so one half (of the side sections) slides over to overlap the other half. Can't be too hard, can it?

Apologies to AE-NMidlands for the digression, as the original article is really important, I'm just thinking outside the box, then moving the box inside a greenhouse!
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My thoughts about greenhouses are that domestic ones are only light structures and cheap because they are small... get much bigger and there will be much more need for bracing and more thickness/strength in the glass and the structure.

I would also be very concerned about heat gain in the summer, remember that this year we were even shading windows to limit solar gain.
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p.s. it does look very attractive, but they say $84k? - and I noticed roof blinds and lots of vents... I'll bet it still gets far too hot in the summer as the underside of the blinds will still radiate heat downwards.
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Sorry to maintain the greenhouse house thing, but there are other examples - I think there’s more development of this type of dwelling in the Netherlands.

Whilst I’d have concerns about solar gain too, the overall concept is interesting - may be very niche and have some very particular problems.

If I was in the position , I’d certainly be interested, although I’m not sure what our building regs would make of it.

There’s quite a lot more info (NSS) on YT if you’re interested.
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In summer it can get too hot in the shade in the open so no chance of getting a house/greenhouse cool enough. During day close all doors,windows and curtains and let the thermal mass control the heat. Evening etc open house up to cool thermal mass.

The ideal balance between solar gain and thermal mass is a very fine one which not many houses achieve. This is good read https://cdn.ymaws.com/concretenz.org.nz ... z_tm37.pdf (of course N and S are reversed)

On topic i just wonder how many people understand or care. Certainly anybody who builds their full size conservertory on the south side does not.
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