Will we ever reduce the amount of travel or transport?

[Stinsy]

What’s wrong with a personal Carbon quota ? Apply to every consumable, including fuel. Everyone gets the same annual allowance, but they can be transferred/traded/saved.

Surely if we have to meet a Carbon target it’s, ok maybe idealistic, way of achieving it equitably.

I've always liked this idea in theory, but the complexity would have been hard. But these days when we are able to move money via mobile phones, and even trade cryptocurrencies, am I right in thinking (because I don't understand these trading platforms) that monitring and trading carbon vouchers would be pretty easy?

Have we mentioned these before, if so, apologies for repetition, but perhaps funds from selling carbon vouchers, if spent on home energy improvements, could get a bump up from the Gov. I'm sure there could be a 101 ways to create a virtuous circle around this.

Just a thought, but would we all start driving at about 45mph along the motorways?

The big problem with a tradable system of carbon credits is that everyone will immediately sell them and carry on exactly as before. It'll be exactly the same as adding extra tax on flights/fuel.

[Bugtownboy]

We need a societal and cultural shift as well.

We do have to change - I’m sure everyone here would accept facing up to the personal responsibility to reduce carbon emissions and reduce resource consumption overall.

Taxation always seems to hit the poorest hardest, particularly indirect taxation. A personal Carbon quota could be totally equitable and, I believe, relatively easy to implement and, if the messaging and delivery were well managed, something that could be sold to the majority.

But that’s in my rose tinted world without lobbying from the FF guys, sleazy politicians and too many vested interests with hands in the fill.

I’m getting more cynical/why should I be ar5ed sort of thing, the more I read about our leaders/‘celebrities’/influencers seem to do what they please and expect everyone else to pick up the tab.

[Bugtownboy]

The big problem with a tradable system of carbon credits is that everyone will immediately sell them and carry on exactly as before. It'll be exactly the same as adding extra tax on flights/fuel.

But, if there’s only enough Carbon credits available to the public and business, does it matter if people trade them ?

If you don’t have enough credits to book a flight, you don’t go.

Surely there’s got to be a direct relationship between our behaviour and reducing our environmental impact otherwise, what’s the point.

[Stinsy]

The big problem with a tradable system of carbon credits is that everyone will immediately sell them and carry on exactly as before. It'll be exactly the same as adding extra tax on flights/fuel.

But, if there’s only enough Carbon credits available to the public and business, does it matter if people trade them ?

If you don’t have enough credits to book a flight, you don’t go.

Surely there’s got to be a direct relationship between our behaviour and reducing our environmental impact otherwise, what’s the point.

I don't care if people trade them. The problem is that I fear behaviour wouldn't change it'll just be an added layer of administrative cost/complexity.

[Bugtownboy]

The fact is, behaviour will have to change. Either by choice, which I’d prefer, or when societies fail due to water shortage/famine/excessive heat.

The geopolitical tsunami is not that far away if ( ) we don’t take action.

My biggest concern is that the ‘poor’ are those massively affected, the elite, whoever and whatever they are (and I’m not talking the lizard people ) will carry on with their same behaviours.

This type of failure will make adding another, and I really do think it could be straightforward, layer of admin.

[Stinsy]

The fact is, behaviour will have to change. Either by choice, which I’d prefer, or when societies fail due to water shortage/famine/excessive heat.

The geopolitical tsunami is not that far away if ( ) we don’t take action.

My biggest concern idle that the ‘poor’ are those massively affected, the elite, whoever and whatever they are (and I’m not talking the lizard people ) will carry on with their same behaviours.

This type of failure will make adding another, and I really do think it could be straightforward, layer of admin.

For example I know people who buy a new 10p plastic bag every time they visit the supermarket. They haven't changed their behaviour one jot, in fact they're probably using more plastic now with the thicker "reusable" bags.

I generally like the Carbon Credits idea. I fear it won't change behaviour. Government reducing the number of take-off / landing slots would change behaviour. But the price of seats on remaining flights would go up, inconveniencing the wealthy very little...

[spread-tee]

What’s wrong with a personal Carbon quota ? Apply to every consumable, including fuel. Everyone gets the same annual allowance, but they can be transferred/traded/saved.

Surely if we have to meet a Carbon target it’s, ok maybe idealistic, way of achieving it equitably.

Welcome to the Green party policy known as TEQs , done through HMRC it's a way of getting dirty polluters to directly subsidise frugal little old ladies who don't squander the planets resources.

Desp

[Bugtownboy]

But it’s only applying it to ‘energy’ with TEQ’s, spread, and there’s no direct personal impact of carbon production.

I know it gets a bit angels on pin heads, but we have to do something or in 10 years or so, there’ll be loads of ‘why didn’t we do more’, ‘ nobody told us it would be this bad’.

[spread-tee]

I agree BTB,

I think the feeling within the Green Party is starting with energy, (which is foremost in peoples minds), hopefully gets people used to the idea of how the system would work, and when accepted by enough people it could be rolled out further. That's my take on the policies, and thinking behind it, I'm not involved to any great degree apart from voting and occasional letter writing.

As we see at COP out 26 it is incredibly hard to get agreement on even baby steps toward a solution, it would be so easy for the greens to get too radical and loose all credibility with the vast majority. As it is they struggle to get a platform, whereas Boris can waffle some insane numptiness and people love it

Desp

[Mart]

Just a thought, but would we all start driving at about 45mph along the motorways?

No, we would get the train! (which would be cheaper, both in credits and cash-wise to tempt us out of our polluting, resource- and space-gobbling tin boxes.)
Anyway, I thought that cars were designed for minimum fuel consumption at 56mph?
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That's ICEV's, whose engines and gearboxes are most efficient at around 56mph, with a tradeoff against higher air resistance. But I was working on carbon credits, so assuming more efficient vehicles such as BEV's, where air resistance becomes the crucial factor (unless huge amounts of heating/AC are being used bringing in a time penalty), but I figured suggesting ~10mph would get challenged, hence the 45mph suggestion/compromise/joke.