Price signal

[Stinsy]

Wow.

Time to switch everything off!

Agile is hitting the £1 cap at 430 this arvo in Scotland!

[NoraBatty]

Agile is hitting the £1 cap at 430 this arvo in Scotland!

Wow!
I had wondered what agile pricing was doing recently.
I somehow managed to get onto a cheap EV tarriff without any proof.
Without the batteries up and running im currently playing 26p/kwh peak, and 8.5p off peak but when i left agile it was barely going below 21p at any point.
Ita cost a little more for the time being but not much.
I have a storage heater in the battery shed keeping the batteries above 10C all day, charged in cheap period and am at least getting the dishes and washing done reliably and cheaper each day now.

Gone are the cheap agile prices i think. They throw in a couple of really cheap electricity slots every month or so but it hasnt looked as worthwhile as it did for at least 6 months if not a bit longer.

[nowty]

What's the max generation capacity of the gas fleet these days?

I've just looked back at last 4 years data on www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk and the CCGT output is currently at its highest at 26.66GW.

OCGT is at 0.5GW so there is at least another 0.5GW left.

Even hydro looks near maxed out at 1GW.

As I suspected the interconnectors from Netherland and Denmark are not much help because of their reliance on wind and there is none. Not sure why we are not getting much from Belgium with their Nukes. Norway and France are helping with their reliable Hydro and Nukes.

We have another 3GW to find to the peak, there will be another 1GW available from batteries and 2GW from pumped storage.

But the wind is likely to drop another 1GW before the peak.

I'm awaiting the bids from the DFS, a session is planned from 4pm to 7pm tonight, I suspect bids of 50p+ might be accepted, I bet there will be some cheeky high bids.

Its one of those rare high stress days and tomorrow looks similar.

[Stinsy]

Agile is hitting the £1 cap at 430 this arvo in Scotland!

Wow!
I had wondered what agile pricing was doing recently.
I somehow managed to get onto a cheap EV tarriff without any proof.
Without the batteries up and running im currently playing 26p/kwh peak, and 8.5p off peak but when i left agile it was barely going below 21p at any point.
Ita cost a little more for the time being but not much.
I have a storage heater in the battery shed keeping the batteries above 10C all day, charged in cheap period and am at least getting the dishes and washing done reliably and cheaper each day now.

Gone are the cheap agile prices i think. They throw in a couple of really cheap electricity slots every month or so but it hasnt looked as worthwhile as it did for at least 6 months if not a bit longer.

It has been a very long time indeed since Agile made sense. Sure the price-plunges are very exciting, but they always were too infrequent and too short-lived to make sense. Particularly as you have the early-evening peak to deal with every day and the general high price of it all.

If you look at the below and consider that I averaged 6.96p/kWh (+VAT) last month then you can understand why Agile just isn't worth it.

[NoraBatty]

Thats exactly why i took a punt at an EV tarriff and was pleasantly surprised.
Last year we averaged 16p/kwh on agile and i was chuffed with that in comparison to fixed prices.
This year it was nowhere close to that.
I was contemplating buying an 3kw hybrid inverter to at least charge some of the battery and get some use out of it before the main install happens.
When i looked at the cost of doing so, vs waiting and just getting a single hybrid inverter large enough that would guarantee full battery charge in the 5hr cheap slot, it worked out we could suffer 26p/kwh for 6 months before it became cheaper to buy the smaller inverter with our current usage. That may come back to bite me but we are nearing the end of remedial work sign off and im ready for the installed to go full throttle when he can to get it installed.
At least we are heating the battery shed with a storage heater in the cheap slot each night to keep the batteries above 10C, and have fixed cheap periods to do the washing overnight.
We were waiting on agile for cheap periods to wash the clothes and running out if stuff to wear. Invariably we would then do a few wash loads and 2 days later it would be cheap all day, but with nothing to do to take advantage

[Stinsy]

Thats exactly why i took a punt at an EV tarriff and was pleasantly surprised.
Last year we averaged 16p/kwh on agile and i was chuffed with that in comparison to fixed prices.
This year it was nowhere close to that.
I was contemplating buying an 3kw hybrid inverter to at least charge some of the battery and get some use out of it before the main install happens.
When i looked at the cost of doing so, vs waiting and just getting a single hybrid inverter large enough that would guarantee full battery charge in the 5hr cheap slot, it worked out we could suffer 26p/kwh for 6 months before it became cheaper to buy the smaller inverter with our current usage. That may come back to bite me but we are nearing the end of remedial work sign off and im ready for the installed to go full throttle when he can to get it installed.
At least we are heating the battery shed with a storage heater in the cheap slot each night to keep the batteries above 10C, and have fixed cheap periods to do the washing overnight.
We were waiting on agile for cheap periods to wash the clothes and running out if stuff to wear. Invariably we would then do a few wash loads and 2 days later it would be cheap all day, but with nothing to do to take advantage

3.6kW inverter would be £250-500 used and £1000ish gets you 16x LF280k cells (c. 14kWh) from Colin. If you charge 12.8kWh at 8.5p it'd cost you c. £1.06, but discharging would offset 11.5kWh of electric saving you £3 (at 26p/kWh) giving you a daily return of £1.94 or £700 a year. So by the end of year 2 you're in clover.

Additionally you get to export in the saving sessions. Today's one is an hour at 60p/kWh so that is an additional 2 quid or so just today!

[Swwils]

Non nodal wind hey?

I bid in above 50p

NEMO and Viking was balancing at prices of upto £3421/MWh.

[NoraBatty]

3.6kW inverter would be £250-500 used and £1000ish gets you 16x LF280k cells (c. 14kWh) from Colin. If you charge 12.8kWh at 8.5p it'd cost you c. £1.06, but discharging would offset 11.5kWh of electric saving you £3 (at 26p/kWh) giving you a daily return of £1.94 or £700 a year. So by the end of year 2 you're in clover.

Additionally you get to export in the saving sessions. Today's one is an hour at 60p/kWh so that is an additional 2 quid or so just today!

True, but its finding a decent used one willing to be shipped. Alternatively its buy new and i would be happier to do so than buy used and untested.
i now have a full board. The main install will be able to shift everything around, but the point is moot currently as i cant do anything to the system whilst the complaint is still open, so I would also want to use it on an extension lead, whixh means ideally under 3kw, which reduces the calcs even more.

The hope is that once its all closed down the installer can fit the hybrid as soon as possible. The electric remedial work is fully complete with no issues so just a waiting game.
We already have the g99 and g100 application in and are awaiting a response.

[nowty]

Non nodal wind hey?

I bid in above 50p

NEMO and Viking was balancing at prices of upto £3421/MWh.

Swwils, I've found that max balancing cost of 3421/MWh on this link, but how do you find what generating asset(s) it purports to. ?
https://bmrs.elexon.co.uk/adjustment-actions-disbsad




EDIT - Don't worry, I've worked it out from the downloaded data and the reference doc.

[Swwils]

From the 3pm accepted and valid bsad period 33. They should be tagged with the specific action, you can then cross with whatever gso decide to say about it lol. Usually they say something.