UK Wind + Interconnectors = Net Zero?

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ecogeorge wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:31 am Has it really been that dull that there is no solar generation ? not even a point 1 ???
Even my paltry 2+ kw has managed 1 kwh the last few days .
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08:00 this morning 15% of U.K. power is leaving the country by cable.

15% being produced in U.K. by gas.
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We need to find a better way to modulate grid frequency rather than keeping the FF plants running when we don’t need them…
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National Grid is working to enable the grid to operate fossil fuel free when conditions allow by 2025 - I imagine there will be lots of clever technologies being implemented for giving the grid "inertia" without the spinning reserve the fossil generators.
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Stinsy wrote: Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:20 am We need to find a better way to modulate grid frequency rather than keeping the FF plants running when we don’t need them…
How about hydro? A bit more of that (like the big Scottish ones that have plannning permission but aren't being progressed because of network access charges) would help...
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AE-NMidlands wrote: Mon Jan 03, 2022 11:17 am
Stinsy wrote: Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:20 am We need to find a better way to modulate grid frequency rather than keeping the FF plants running when we don’t need them…
How about hydro? A bit more of that (like the big Scottish ones that have plannning permission but aren't being progressed because of network access charges) would help...
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Yes, hydro was my first thought!

A few big 24/7/365 hydro plants with high-mass turbines would do the job. Burning gas while curtailing wind is really frustrating.
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dan_b wrote: Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:11 am National Grid is working to enable the grid to operate fossil fuel free when conditions allow by 2025 - I imagine there will be lots of clever technologies being implemented for giving the grid "inertia" without the spinning reserve the fossil generators.
Ooh, that's a good point, and given that the UK is around 40% RE generation (but last two years complicated by Covid and poor wind in 2021) and growing around 3% to 4% pa, then 2025 might be the year we see 50%+ of generation from RE, and perhaps a 30 min slot that's 100% RE? I'm only guessing, and also counting 4yrs growth from start of 2022 to end of 2025. Nice milestones to look out for though.

And another thought, we may be up to ~17GW of interconnectors too by then, which will presumably help both homegrown RE and grid balance. Fun times.
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I have a feeling that we have seen an article saying that with modern electronics the spinning reserve for grid stabilsation won't be needed in future.
Anyone else remember it?
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I thought the Nuclear power stations were a spinning reserve. I suppose Drax is also - but not sure if NG consider that as RE or not?
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Countrypaul wrote: Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:43 pm I thought the Nuclear power stations were a spinning reserve. I suppose Drax is also - but not sure if NG consider that as RE or not?
Nukes run flat-out 24/7/365 they can't easily react to changes in demand...
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