Balcony solar PV

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Mart wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:33 pm Slight digression, but talking about a block of flats, that was one of the examples from the PV trolls, going back a decade or so.

People in flats etc etc, can't benefit from PV, blah blah blah, ignoring of course investing in a solar farm, or even better now, something like Ripple, with an actual impact on your bill.

But, getting to the point, I always argued that a block of flats would be great for BIPV* (building integrated PV), or simply retrofitting, by cladding the outside with PV panels on sunny sides. Obviously the cladding argument got tricky after the Grenfell Tower disaster, as trolls could throw 'oh great, cladding' comments in, despite the obvious differences.

For generation comparisons, popping a PVGIS pin on my house in Cardiff gives 1,026kWh/kWp for south facing, and optimised pitch of 39d, whilst south facing at 0d pitch is 855kWh/kWp.

For want of a better calculation for area, I'm just going to pick my house (1930's semi-detached 3 bed, but of course many flats will be smaller than 3 bed), which has faces of approx 5m by 5m (ignoring roof), so 25m2, then half that for windows, so 12m2, maybe 2.5kWp, and 2,100kWh's pa. That would be useful, I think. Better still would be if they are 45d off south, so have a SE and SW facing wall. To my shock, those are 855kWh/kWp pa too (unless I'm doing something stupid), so that's ~4MWh's pa.

Of course, now I'm picturing a row of tower blocks, all laid out like dominoes in a south facing row, so only one does well. :(
Your not stupid Mart but a schoolboy error.

0d is a flat horizontal panel, hence 45 degree off south gives you the same answer as would a north facing one.
90d is a wall mounted one.

Surprisingly though its still not that much lower.
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Re: Balcony solar PV

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nowty wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 7:15 pm
Mart wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:33 pm Slight digression, but talking about a block of flats, that was one of the examples from the PV trolls, going back a decade or so.

People in flats etc etc, can't benefit from PV, blah blah blah, ignoring of course investing in a solar farm, or even better now, something like Ripple, with an actual impact on your bill.

But, getting to the point, I always argued that a block of flats would be great for BIPV* (building integrated PV), or simply retrofitting, by cladding the outside with PV panels on sunny sides. Obviously the cladding argument got tricky after the Grenfell Tower disaster, as trolls could throw 'oh great, cladding' comments in, despite the obvious differences.

For generation comparisons, popping a PVGIS pin on my house in Cardiff gives 1,026kWh/kWp for south facing, and optimised pitch of 39d, whilst south facing at 0d pitch is 855kWh/kWp.

For want of a better calculation for area, I'm just going to pick my house (1930's semi-detached 3 bed, but of course many flats will be smaller than 3 bed), which has faces of approx 5m by 5m (ignoring roof), so 25m2, then half that for windows, so 12m2, maybe 2.5kWp, and 2,100kWh's pa. That would be useful, I think. Better still would be if they are 45d off south, so have a SE and SW facing wall. To my shock, those are 855kWh/kWp pa too (unless I'm doing something stupid), so that's ~4MWh's pa.

Of course, now I'm picturing a row of tower blocks, all laid out like dominoes in a south facing row, so only one does well. :(
Your not stupid Mart but a schoolboy error.

0d is a flat horizontal panel, hence 45 degree off south gives you the same answer as would a north facing one.
90d is a wall mounted one.

Surprisingly though its still not that much lower.
Many thanks, that was bugging me all day. New numbers then are south facing 39d is 1,026kWh/kWp, whilst south facing at 90d pitch is 733kWh/kWp, and SE is 665kWh/kWp, and SW a smidge better (maybe localised weather?) at 689kWh/kWp.

I'll go back and revise the post.


Edit - Sorry Nowty, still pondering away here, and realised that steep panels will have a smaller variance between winter and summer, so went back and checked, and for my example (my house), south facing 39d pitch, I get a variance of 3.6:1 of best month June (126kWh/kWp), v's worst month Dec (35kWh/kWp). But things smooth out a lot with the vertical 90d pitch panels, with only a 2:1 difference with April at 79kWh/kWp and Dec at 39kWh/kWp (June was 65, as I guess the high sun has a poorer angle).

Just fun, but nice to see that the option, if economically viable, looks to have great potential.
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The YouTube EV legend Byjorn Nyland uses the EcoFlow batteries for some of his videos - particularly the ones where he drives an EV until it's completely flat to see how far it will go, then re-charges it from the EcoFlow...
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Seeing lots of adverts for this sort of thing here in Austria. There is even a system without storage on offer from Hofer (Aldi) next week for €799.
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dan_b wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 12:53 pm The YouTube EV legend Byjorn Nyland uses the EcoFlow batteries for some of his videos - particularly the ones where he drives an EV until it's completely flat to see how far it will go, then re-charges it from the EcoFlow...
Hmmm, interesting idea - thinking forward to an EV Campervan, with many panels on the roof, and a couple of these battery packs to allow you to recharge the EV battery while you sit and relax out in the wilds :D :D
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chris_n wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:15 pm Seeing lots of adverts for this sort of thing here in Austria. There is even a system without storage on offer from Hofer (Aldi) next week for €799.
Post the link up, we'd love to have a nosey of it (if you remember)
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chris_n wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 2:15 pm Seeing lots of adverts for this sort of thing here in Austria. There is even a system without storage on offer from Hofer (Aldi) next week for €799.
Hi Chris, In Austria for the system? Wouldn't mind seeing that!
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https://katalog.hofer.at/emag/de_AT/pri ... w26_23/#24
There is no direct link to the product yet but that should appear soon.
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Wow :o

Fancy being able to buy a wackier plate from the supermarket at the same time as your PV system and booking a holiday 8-)
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They finally put the product page up.
https://www.hofer.at/de/p.balkonkraftwe ... 12080.html
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