Balcony solar PV

[chris_n]

Cut euro plug off and wire into isolator

That is how the original pluginsolar got round UK regs. Original they did supply plug in units but had to remove the plug and advise wiring correctly, of course that doesn't stop you wiring into a fused spur on a ring main so back to square one as far as potential concerns with UK wiring are concerned.

[Joeboy]

Cut euro plug off and wire into isolator

That is how the original pluginsolar got round UK regs. Original they did supply plug in units but had to remove the plug and advise wiring correctly, of course that doesn't stop you wiring into a fused spur on a ring main so back to square one as far as potential concerns with UK wiring are concerned.

I connected No1's straight into a multiplug. It has its own onboard 5A fuse and I can pull the whole uk plug leaving the europlug connected. Makes sense to me.

[Joeboy]

Went over to Marmaris and found the Street of solar panel traders. It was mighty indeed. In amongst all the chandler's they were selling PV, batteries and all the Victron gear. About 6 shops, excellent smaller panels and different rectangular shapes for yachts etc. Sadly SWMBO put the kibosh on it. In this order

1.Powers cheap out here, we spend sub 100 days pa here, whats wrong with you?

2. I let you do what you want at home, please don't bring it
here!

3. You're a dick, do you know that?

All pertinent and salient points well put, particularly point 3. I retired to a neutral corner then bought lunch!

[AGT]

I would have probably retired to the corner and logged on and checked the solar generation and power consumption

[Tay]

As discussed elsewhere in this thread this method of connection is not permitted under UK regs. One supplier did advertise in UK and there are promo videos on YouTube but when they became aware it didn't meet regs they took it off the market for UK. The problem revolves around overloading final circuits as all of the supply for the circuit no longer goes through the circuit breaker. In Europe final circuits are all radials and the cable is slightly oversized for the rating on the breaker hence 600W being allowed in Germany and 800W being allowed in a lot of the rest of Europe. In Germany they are proposing to increase this to 800W hence the number of these that are marketed as upgradable.

Ah, thanks for that I had no idea..

Are the brits being late to the party trying to regulate this after the horse has bolted like so many other things or is there a genuine issue there and it'll never take off?.

Its odd that the G98 doc (Which seems to cater for a vast array of solutions) can be submitted up to 28 days after an install. Which certainly sounds like the former above.

The horse hasn't really bolted as none of the reputable suppliers will supply them to UK and they don't come with UK plugs.

I meant as in not thinking ahead that this might be a thing and regulate it from the outset. much like CB radio's, electric bikes, Electric scooters etc and a plethora of other technologies/devices/ideas that we as a nation should have been on board but for one reason or another.

Is the G98 form a mechanism for the carriers to 'start' planning or that somewhere down the road it might actually be looked at. It seems that we are just throwing bureaucracy up because nobody wants to deal with the issue and expense now?

Isnt sticking 3.2kWh of PV into the grid via SEG or FIT setup essentially the same thing just with a bunch of paperwork behind it?

I find it unconscionable that some form of micro generation isnt mandatory on new builds isnt a thing. I regularly drive through Bury St Edmunds when visiting my mum and see council houses fitted with it, yet new estates worth 1/2 a million a house dont have anything.

It kinda beggars belief really

[AGT]

Persimmon threw up some houses near me, all fitted with either 3or 4 or 5 panels depending on the size of the roof, where you could have easily got 9 plus on everyone.

Probably just used to tick an eco box and get a few points on the EPC

[Joeboy]

I would have probably retired to the corner and logged on and checked the solar generation and power consumption

[chris_n]

Ah, thanks for that I had no idea..

Are the brits being late to the party trying to regulate this after the horse has bolted like so many other things or is there a genuine issue there and it'll never take off?.

Its odd that the G98 doc (Which seems to cater for a vast array of solutions) can be submitted up to 28 days after an install. Which certainly sounds like the former above.

The horse hasn't really bolted as none of the reputable suppliers will supply them to UK and they don't come with UK plugs.

I meant as in not thinking ahead that this might be a thing and regulate it from the outset. much like CB radio's, electric bikes, Electric scooters etc and a plethora of other technologies/devices/ideas that we as a nation should have been on board but for one reason or another.

Is the G98 form a mechanism for the carriers to 'start' planning or that somewhere down the road it might actually be looked at. It seems that we are just throwing bureaucracy up because nobody wants to deal with the issue and expense now?

Isnt sticking 3.2kWh of PV into the grid via SEG or FIT setup essentially the same thing just with a bunch of paperwork behind it?

I find it unconscionable that some form of micro generation isnt mandatory on new builds isnt a thing. I regularly drive through Bury St Edmunds when visiting my mum and see council houses fitted with it, yet new estates worth 1/2 a million a house dont have anything.

It kinda beggars belief really

It is and always has been regulated, it is not permitted to connect generating equipment to the grid without following the relevant protocols (whether you choose to follow that is another matter). When I have talked to electricians in Europe they can't believe that UK allows ring mains with all of the associated risks that a broken circuit can present without the fault being obvious.
Can't remember that much about CB radios but as far as electric bikes is concerned there is plenty of legislation around what is allowed to be used where. Pedelecs (EAPCs) with 250W nominal motors and max speed of 15.5mph have the same regs as bicycles, anything else falls into various categories of motor vehicle and should be used as such. The biggest problems around electric bikes are the illegal ones that you see everyday, having kids on 60mph bikes riding on pavements doing wheelies is in no one's interests.
As far as electric scooters are concerned they are causing problems all over Europe not just UK. Over here in Austria there are big problems in the cities with hire scooters being dumped everywhere and lots of accidents because of the different movement patterns compared to established traffic.

[Tay]

The horse hasn't really bolted as none of the reputable suppliers will supply them to UK and they don't come with UK plugs.

I meant as in not thinking ahead that this might be a thing and regulate it from the outset. much like CB radio's, electric bikes, Electric scooters etc and a plethora of other technologies/devices/ideas that we as a nation should have been on board but for one reason or another.

Is the G98 form a mechanism for the carriers to 'start' planning or that somewhere down the road it might actually be looked at. It seems that we are just throwing bureaucracy up because nobody wants to deal with the issue and expense now?

Isnt sticking 3.2kWh of PV into the grid via SEG or FIT setup essentially the same thing just with a bunch of paperwork behind it?

I find it unconscionable that some form of micro generation isnt mandatory on new builds isnt a thing. I regularly drive through Bury St Edmunds when visiting my mum and see council houses fitted with it, yet new estates worth 1/2 a million a house dont have anything.

It kinda beggars belief really

It is and always has been regulated, it is not permitted to connect generating equipment to the grid without following the relevant protocols (whether you choose to follow that is another matter). When I have talked to electricians in Europe they can't believe that UK allows ring mains with all of the associated risks that a broken circuit can present without the fault being obvious.
Can't remember that much about CB radios but as far as electric bikes is concerned there is plenty of legislation around what is allowed to be used where. Pedelecs (EAPCs) with 250W nominal motors and max speed of 15.5mph have the same regs as bicycles, anything else falls into various categories of motor vehicle and should be used as such. The biggest problems around electric bikes are the illegal ones that you see everyday, having kids on 60mph bikes riding on pavements doing wheelies is in no one's interests.
As far as electric scooters are concerned they are causing problems all over Europe not just UK. Over here in Austria there are big problems in the cities with hire scooters being dumped everywhere and lots of accidents because of the different movement patterns compared to established traffic.

Thats the key issue really, the UK seems to go down the all or nothing route far to often. they did this with CB radios, too slow getting on board, many thousands of them were in use of the variety used elsewhere in the world, the fun police came along and restricted folks to a far inferior system because they were too slow looking at the tech and potentially licensing it and coming up with a more grown up equitable solution.

I've seen the same with Drones in the UK, the CAA has caused a total shambles over the years, poor communication, poor decision making with what direction to go, then cocking it up because there was no conforming devices to actually use, the legislation got pushed back and only recently they have been more open and started listening to the users both pro and consumer to understand their concerns and legislation was altered. Its still not perfect but the alternative was essentially making many drones unusable, common sense prevailed in this case.

With ebikes its always been the case that a simple motor/battery swap gives a legal device the 'upgrade' option to be illegal, this will always be the case for a small subset of people that dont wish to conform with whatever solution is available.
eScooters have been coming into the country for years, with many that were simply unsafe, a tiny percentage were going to be used on private land where the safety issues didnt matter. so now we've got relatively few trials on going, and a huge problem with illegal and dangerous escooters being used on the roads. I must admit, I struggle to blame the illegal ones as the govt has been so slow to get on board (excuse the pun) they have taken the matter into their own hands.

So in essence - we have a pretty archaic system that has not be upgraded to deal with modern life.

[richbee]

Went over to Marmaris and found the Street of solar panel traders. It was mighty indeed. In amongst all the chandler's they were selling PV, batteries and all the Victron gear. About 6 shops, excellent smaller panels and different rectangular shapes for yachts etc. Sadly SWMBO put the kibosh on it. In this order

1.Powers cheap out here, we spend sub 100 days pa here, whats wrong with you?

2. I let you do what you want at home, please don't bring it
here!

3. You're a dick, do you know that?

All pertinent and salient points well put, particularly point 3. I retired to a neutral corner then bought lunch!

Rolling of eyes seems to be a common response to renewable shenanigans in this house also