Plug-in solar devices.

[Moxi]

ahh Saladin now you're tickling my hippocampus as that low roof and shading recount raises restless memories Lemon or not the Mastervolt was a viable option for me when I was desperate to get solar and more severely financially constrained than I am now.

Moxi

[Stinsy]

I think we have vastly removed perspectives so our ascertations will differ. Let's not be binary about it.

For instance the DNO might be concerned but it doesn't concern them. The easiest way to remain compliant in such an arrangement is to not use their infrastructure. As I expressed in my irrelevant waffle.

I'm sorry I'm out...

I cannot get into an "alternative facts" discussion...

[Mart]

Matter to whom?
The electrons...not really

Matter to the DNO, the whole point as I understand it, regarding permission for the addition of a grid-tied SSEG to the local network, without the need for any approval.

As I understand it, much of Europe has this permission, the UK doesn't. I'm not saying the UK is wrong, but if it revues the situation, and decides that these upto 800W(AC) PV systems can be allowed, then my question was to follow the logic, and suggest/ask if that leads to other varieties of 800W(AC) plug in devices.

Despite wading through a lot of irrelevant and often incorrect waffle I thought it might be of interest to let you know that in Austria and probably most of the rest of Europe you still have to notify the electricity supply company even with small systems. I haven't heard of anyone being refused such a system.
PS Stinsy keep calling the effluent out even though you missed a few

That's actually good to know, many thanks, as a concern of mine was that the kit installed may not have the appropriate DNO certification approval. So informing the DNO, if only for them to update their records could/should(?) include the SSEG in question.

[Mart]

Again, none of that seems to relate to anything I have posted or asked.

It all relates to the addition of a 2 -3 panel system.

I simply suggested that the potential upto 800W (not 1.5kW as you went on to mention?) PV allowance, might allow for upto 800W feed to the house from a storage device.

This I misunderstood. I thought you wanted to export it. If it's not leaving your house it doesn't concern the DNO.

That could provide (in my most extreme example) upto 14.4kWh (not the 35kWh you state) of storage from cheap rate.

If you import 15kWh that cost the planet between 35kWh & 70kWh from a central national powerplant. factoring losses in energy conversion & transmission.

I would hope that cheap rate implies (without the need for definition) excess night time generation, which will most likely be wind (not waste generation (that can demand follow) nor US LNG and Australian coal as you state).

Base load is usually FF

PS, where exactly does the UK now burn this Australian coal for leccy?

Australia supplies most of the world. Port Talbot use it for steel.

The systems I have rarely if ever hit 800W generation and that is from 1000W of panels. Generally it will peak at 700 to 750W. There is no discernible heat from any of the components at that level. As we have experience with the arc of the day it is unless perfectly positioned and in orientation too unlikely that even that 750W generation will run all day. The other systems are less than 1000W and of no worry to me at all.

Agreed hence I said 1500W. Is that irrelevant? I don't think so.

The generic term 'balcony solar' combined with the change now making wall mounted panels permitted development, is another way I think that the number of households that could benefit rises into the millions.

To me it's suggesting people put them in less than ideal shadey areas where their potential becomes curtailed. Ground mounts aren't often shaded by buildings.

As mentioned earlier, no criticism of the regs, they are there to protect us, but if they can be revised that'll be fantastic.

The moment it becomes my way or the highway then that becomes stiffling and a constraint on innovation & participation.
I'd not agree they are perfect. They are protecting a state monopoly and the privatisation of the means of production too.

I remember in the old place always reading the Mastervolt topics with intense interest

I ran a Soladin for a while with a 550W array...back in the old place.
Right lemon it was.
Turns on when the array produces 1W. Uses 30W self-consumption = 29W load in shadow.
My shaded low roof panels didn't get light until after midday then spent most of the rest of the day making up for the losses.

Sunny boys are better. The won't operate until after they can power themselves.

Wow, you've gone full BS.

Importing 15kWh of cheap rate leccy will almost certainly reduce FF generation, not increase it. That's the entire point/need for the rollout of storage. How could you spread such lies and anti-RE propoganda?

Port Talbot steelworks are not a leccy generator. So again, you stated that charging a battery would involve dirty fuel, such as Australian coal being burnt .... where will this be burnt please?

I referred to cheap rate, and you responded by claiming baseload is FF - I'll take your unrelated spin as an admission of attempted BS failure.

'Balcony' PV will not necessarily be placed in a shaded area, that's more anti-PV BS. But even if the location is less than ideal, it's still a benefit, and I'll go so far as to bet it alone will eliminate the need for Australian coal in our generation mix. [PS Bonus points for sheer desperation.]


Shall we get back to a sensible and (for me) fun look at the benefits that this policy review of the regs could bring to an enormous number of households. Especially as the basic panel kits are, I think, within Xmas present cost range for my niece and nephews, and younger family friends. That means that environmentally minded (or RE obsessives) folk can help out the next generation by paying it forward, be it advice and help, or actual PV kits.

[MrPablo]

I have 3 panels mounted on a south facing wall of my house, between the ground floor and upper windows. They are, to all intents and purposes, a balcony setup without a balcony.
3 panels, each rated at 410w. Over the last 12 complete months they have generated 804kWh, with the worst month being December at 15kWh.
These panels are not super high tech, the mounting system is mostly treated timber but they still handle loads of my base load.

The more low cost, low complexity systems that we can get on houses, flats, etc, the better.

[resybaby]

I have 3 panels mounted on a south facing wall of my house, between the ground floor and upper windows. They are, to all intents and purposes, a balcony setup without a balcony.
3 panels, each rated at 410w. Over the last 12 complete months they have generated 804kWh, with the worst month being December at 15kWh.
These panels are not super high tech, the mounting system is mostly treated timber but they still handle loads of my base load.

The more low cost, low complexity systems that we can get on houses, flats, etc, the better.

Was going to do the same with a big spare panel i had MrPablo when i replaced all of mine to match a while back.
Over ordered a spare one and kept it in the spare room (God they are big when closer), just recently took the decision to abort that plan however and sell it on as unlikely i'll get it done in reality. Sat on a huge Merc Sprinter campers roof now. Also shifted all my 2011 21 x 190w Upsolars locally for £20/each via Gumtree, happy with that.

This chap picked up five of them to power his private garden toy railway installation, all up and running now.
Looe Garden Railway

https://www.facebook.com/people/Looe-Ga ... 356243656/

[Joeboy]

Mart
"Shall we get back to a sensible and (for me) fun look at the benefits that this policy review of the regs could bring to an enormous number of households. Especially as the basic panel kits are, I think, within Xmas present cost range for my niece and nephews, and younger family friends. That means that environmentally minded (or RE obsessives) folk can help out the next generation by paying it forward, be it advice and help, or actual PV kits."

This is pretty much the way I went at No1 Son's place with 2 panels from FTB. It was a great little project and made him more aware of power use while drip feeding PV generation in to kill his baseline thru the day. That is a great Christmas present! Today was marginal up our way but still managed to generate 9kWh from the micros. Not sure why but I value that power higher.

Add in an ashp to quad it up and suddenly it's 36kWh of useable power that came from that particular individuals decisions along the path. There's something really excellent, bright & beautiful about that.

[Saladin]

The DNO is concerned with any inverter capacity that is connected to their grid. Even if no power is exported.

Why don't you use a 5kW DC charge controller onto your pylontech? DNO wouldn't care about that? No extra inverters just a whole lottov power.

Lemon or not the Mastervolt was a viable option for me when I was desperate to get solar and more severely financially constrained than I am now.

I forgot to mention it started over-temp derating at ~450W too
450W!¡?

I replaced it with a used fanless SMA Sunny Boy 1kW I bought for £50 and never looked back. I donated the SMA to a mate since. It's still going about ~25 years of operation later..

That didn't come with a plug but I put one on it. ...anna a DC isolator too...

[Joeboy]

I have 3 panels mounted on a south facing wall of my house, between the ground floor and upper windows. They are, to all intents and purposes, a balcony setup without a balcony.
3 panels, each rated at 410w. Over the last 12 complete months they have generated 804kWh, with the worst month being December at 15kWh.
These panels are not super high tech, the mounting system is mostly treated timber but they still handle loads of my base load.

The more low cost, low complexity systems that we can get on houses, flats, etc, the better.

Was going to do the same with a big spare panel i had MrPablo when i replaced all of mine to match a while back.
Over ordered a spare one and kept it in the spare room (God they are big when closer), just recently took the decision to abort that plan however and sell it on as unlikely i'll get it done in reality. Sat on a huge Merc Sprinter campers roof now. Also shifted all my 2011 21 x 190w Upsolars locally for £20/each via Gumtree, happy with that.

This chap picked up five of them to power his private garden toy railway installation, all up and running now.
Looe Garden Railway

https://www.facebook.com/people/Looe-Ga ... 356243656/

To both of you. Well done!

[Stinsy]

The DNO is concerned with any inverter capacity that is connected to their grid. Even if no power is exported.

Why don't you use a 5kW DC charge controller onto your pylontech? DNO wouldn't care about that? No extra inverters just a whole lottov power.

DNO would care, and you'd be required to notify them.

I'm not sure why you're finding this all so difficult...