Ulez - Six month pollution figures justify schemes introduction.

[Stig]

ULez scheme just opened near me, fully support this however I feel it’s the lower income families that will suffer.
One of the cleaners that we use, does a city centre job, had to give it up as they can’t afford a new car

I wonder if that's a lack of knowledge or a lack of compliant second-hand cars in the area. My 2008 Nissan Micra is apparently ULEZ compliant (though I never drive in London) so no need to buy a brand new car. Surely better to keep a clean, older car going than to have a new one manufactured?

[smegal]

ULez scheme just opened near me, fully support this however I feel it’s the lower income families that will suffer.
One of the cleaners that we use, does a city centre job, had to give it up as they can’t afford a new car

I wonder if that's a lack of knowledge or a lack of compliant second-hand cars in the area. My 2008 Nissan Micra is apparently ULEZ compliant (though I never drive in London) so no need to buy a brand new car. Surely better to keep a clean, older car going than to have a new one manufactured?

I was thinking the same thing. Post 2016 diesel or 2007 petrol (I've rounded up, slightly as some earlier cars were compliant) is hardly onerous.

[Joeboy]

In Abedeen they have made the ULEZ cut off the port road to non qualifying cars. This means the traditionally lower income Torry area folk now have a multi mile round the perimeter of the city run rather than a sub 1 mile route. Not great.

[SimonSays]

I wonder if that's a lack of knowledge or a lack of compliant second-hand cars in the area. My 2008 Nissan Micra is apparently ULEZ compliant (though I never drive in London) so no need to buy a brand new car. Surely better to keep a clean, older car going than to have a new one manufactured?

I'm absolutely not here for a fight, but we do need to define what "clean" is. And my understanding of what's better for the environment is very dependent upon how efficient the older car is and how many miles are travelled in that car.

Personally, I'd ditch any diesel that isn't EU 6 straight away (and in fact, I did ditch my emissions compliance test dodging EU 5 Tiguan).

I wonder if this YouTube video is helpful?

[Stig]

I'm absolutely not here for a fight, but we do need to define what "clean" is. And my understanding of what's better for the environment is very dependent upon how efficient the older car is and how many miles are travelled in that car.

No argument from me there.

I wonder if this YouTube video is helpful?

Hmm, it's US-based so although the analysis seems sound, the figures are a bit different from the UK. 25mpg as 'typical' sounds shocking but that's US gallons so about 30mpg in imperial gallons -is that typical for a UK petrol car? I average over 65mpg but I do drive like a granny. As you say, very dependent on efficiency & miles travelled.

[SimonSays]

Hmm, it's US-based so although the analysis seems sound, the figures are a bit different from the UK. 25mpg as 'typical' sounds shocking but that's US gallons so about 30mpg in imperial gallons -is that typical for a UK petrol car? I average over 65mpg but I do drive like a granny. As you say, very dependent on efficiency & miles travelled.

Our last petrol car, a Volvo XC40 B4 mild hybrid, managed a paltry 32 mpg as I recall, and I drove that with care.

[chris_n]

ULez scheme just opened near me, fully support this however I feel it’s the lower income families that will suffer.
One of the cleaners that we use, does a city centre job, had to give it up as they can’t afford a new car

I wonder if that's a lack of knowledge or a lack of compliant second-hand cars in the area. My 2008 Nissan Micra is apparently ULEZ compliant (though I never drive in London) so no need to buy a brand new car. Surely better to keep a clean, older car going than to have a new one manufactured?

I was thinking the same thing. Post 2016 diesel or 2007 petrol (I've rounded up, slightly as some earlier cars were compliant) is hardly onerous.

Of course it is is you have a very low income / disposable income and your old car (which you may of had for many years) is worth nothing in your area because it isn't compliant. If my 40 year old daughter lived in such an area she wouldn't be able to afford to replace the car that I gave her when I emigrated.