Volkswagen is in talks with Tesla to adopt NACS connector

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Re: Volkswagen is in talks with Tesla to adopt NACS connector

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robl wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2023 1:21 pm
Stinsy wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 6:10 am The problems with the Tesla connector are:

2) Can’t do V2G.
Are we sure about that? I’ve seen several reports that there’s actually a bidirectional power converter in the model 3 and Y - in which case those Tesla models could achieve V2X with appropriate software and external controller.

https://electrek.co/2020/05/19/tesla-bi ... -features/
Hiya. I don't believe there's any reason why the NACS can't do V2G, but I remember back when it was thought that Tesla's had the hardware to do it, and there was a mistake where someone confused one piece of electronic kit for another. So, yes it can, but they don't (by choice) currently. Elon's opinion is that V2G is not a great idea, and stationary storage is better (ideally linked in large networks). I think he's wrong, and V2G is a net positive, but I suspect he's looking longer term when 'robo-taxi's take over the World', and those vehicles won't really be suitable for V2G, as there will be less, they'll be in use, or recharging. Whereas privately owned BEV's, sitting idle 95% of the time, could provide massive amounts of grid support.

However, there is a small workaround for some vehicles now, such as the F-150 Lightning and the promised Cybertruck, so you don't need the expensive V2G charger, and that's that these vehicles have sockets to run power tools. So you could do V2L (vehicle to load), perhaps run some lights, freezer and a heater, during a power cut?
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Re: Volkswagen is in talks with Tesla to adopt NACS connector

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Mart wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2023 1:37 pm
robl wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2023 1:21 pm
Stinsy wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 6:10 am The problems with the Tesla connector are:

2) Can’t do V2G.
Are we sure about that? I’ve seen several reports that there’s actually a bidirectional power converter in the model 3 and Y - in which case those Tesla models could achieve V2X with appropriate software and external controller.

https://electrek.co/2020/05/19/tesla-bi ... -features/
Hiya. I don't believe there's any reason why the NACS can't do V2G, but I remember back when it was thought that Tesla's had the hardware to do it, and there was a mistake where someone confused one piece of electronic kit for another. So, yes it can, but they don't (by choice) currently. Elon's opinion is that V2G is not a great idea, and stationary storage is better (ideally linked in large networks). I think he's wrong, and V2G is a net positive, but I suspect he's looking longer term when 'robo-taxi's take over the World', and those vehicles won't really be suitable for V2G, as there will be less, they'll be in use, or recharging. Whereas privately owned BEV's, sitting idle 95% of the time, could provide massive amounts of grid support.

However, there is a small workaround for some vehicles now, such as the F-150 Lightning and the promised Cybertruck, so you don't need the expensive V2G charger, and that's that these vehicles have sockets to run power tools. So you could do V2L (vehicle to load), perhaps run some lights, freezer and a heater, during a power cut?
If the vehicle can do V2G - that presumably is similar output to that of an inverter, Coud that V2L supply be used as the input to say a Victron Multiplus in similar manner that a FITS based PV system? Just thinking out lod...
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Re: Volkswagen is in talks with Tesla to adopt NACS connector

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Joeboy's been known to run his air fryer and washing machine on his V2L. :mrgreen:
Wish I could do the same with the Tesla. :evil:

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Re: Volkswagen is in talks with Tesla to adopt NACS connector

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Sure the pins don;t care which direction the current flows. However Ellon is vehemently against V2G, so as long as he controls what the Tesla connector can and cannot do, V2G is off the table.
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