Storage Heaters

Air source, ground source and associated systems for heating homes
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Re: Storage Heaters

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Job done, three to go, maybe 4. 8-) :x


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Re: Storage Heaters

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Joeboy wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:19 pm Job done, three to go, maybe 4. 8-) :x
There's always room for another as we say. :lol:
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Re: Storage Heaters

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nowty wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:47 pm
Joeboy wrote: Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:19 pm Job done, three to go, maybe 4. 8-) :x
There's always room for another as we say. :lol:
Very true Nowty! Last Winter was a great test run of these units, so this year we are going for it. SWMBO is running with this one and I'm just tagging along fitting where she tells me to. :roll:
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Re: Storage Heaters

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Thanks gents,

I am just checking to see if the wife has an e bae account now then I will chance my arm.

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Re: Storage Heaters

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I have to admit i had forgotten about this particular "resource" I think the last time i bought anything from here must be over a decade ago.

I recall falling out of favour with it as it seemed to be full of new stuff rather than second hand / probably around the same time i found freecycle I guess.

Thanks again though.

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Re: Storage Heaters

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Fintray wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 2:01 pm
Joeboy wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 1:46 pm
Stinsy wrote: Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:53 am The theme I see over and over again form those who’ve switch (all or part) from gas to electric heat is that the gas boiler was clearly less efficient than imagined. Obviously electric only works with the CoP of a heat pump or with cheap-rate electric because electric is so much more expensive than gas.

Convincing those who’re not ready to be convinced is a fruitless endeavour.
Moved a 2.55kW unit from a living room at the edge of the house to smack bang in the centre of the house. Tomorrow I'll begin installing the extra storage units, another 4.25kW of storage heaters adding a further 21.25kWh of stored energy potential. That will be as near as damn it 60kWh storage heater capacity which along with the WBS will completely replace gas for home heating. :)


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Just as well that you got your main fuse uprated!
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100A 24kW at 240V

3.8kW battery charge
3kW Hot water tank
5kW EV

11.8kW used leaves 12.1kW

Main Lounge 850W
Front lounge 1700W
Hallway 2550W
Bedroom 1700W
Other bedroom 1700W
Dressing room 850W
Small bedroom 850W
Family room 850W

11,050 Watt used leaves 1,050W before hitting the fuse limit. :o
Fortunately about 1/3rd of the storage heaters are stand by units.
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Re: Storage Heaters

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Joeboy wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 9:11 am Check this out Iain!
100A is 24kW at 240V

3.8Kw battery charge
3kW Hot water tank
5 kW EV

11.8kW used leaves 12.1kW

Main Lounge 850W
Front lounge 1700W
Hallway 2550W
Bedroom 1700W
Other bedroom 1700W
Dressing room 850W
Small bedroom 850W
Family room 850W

11,050 Watt used leaves 1,050W before hitting the fuse limit. :o
Are you sure that you have a supply that can deliver that much power? I had a new cable and supply run in here, three phase, although we are only using one phase. Because our house is all-electric, I asked SSE for the biggest supply cable they could fit (made no difference to the cost, as it turns out). The supply we have has a 100A fuse but that is not the maximum supply rating, the supply is rated to deliver 15kVA maximum, so the most we can draw is about 65A. Apparently the fuse rating is always a lot higher than the supply maximum rating, as they don't want the fuses to run hot (so I was told). I asked if there was any way this could be uprated to more than 15kVA when the car charger went in, but they told me that this was the absolute maximum they offered to any house with a single phase supply and that if we needed more we'd need to change to three phase.

Luckily we do have the option of changing the supply to three phase if we need it, as the underground cable coming in is three phase, it's just set up to only use one phase at the moment. I've thought about getting the meter changed so we can use all three phases but I'm reasonably convinced we can manage OK on the supply we have, as long as I take care with the maximum loads we have on overnight and keep the total to no more than the 15kVA limit.
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Re: Storage Heaters

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Oldgreybeard wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 9:28 am
Joeboy wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 9:11 am Check this out Iain!
100A is 24kW at 240V

3.8Kw battery charge
3kW Hot water tank
5 kW EV

11.8kW used leaves 12.1kW

Main Lounge 850W
Front lounge 1700W
Hallway 2550W
Bedroom 1700W
Other bedroom 1700W
Dressing room 850W
Small bedroom 850W
Family room 850W

11,050 Watt used leaves 1,050W before hitting the fuse limit. :o
Are you sure that you have a supply that can deliver that much power? I had a new cable and supply run in here, three phase, although we are only using one phase. Because our house is all-electric, I asked SSE for the biggest supply cable they could fit (made no difference to the cost, as it turns out). The supply we have has a 100A fuse but that is not the maximum supply rating, the supply is rated to deliver 15kVA maximum, so the most we can draw is about 65A. Apparently the fuse rating is always a lot higher than the supply maximum rating, as they don't want the fuses to run hot (so I was told). I asked if there was any way this could be uprated to more than 15kVA when the car charger went in, but they told me that this was the absolute maximum they offered to any house with a single phase supply and that if we needed more we'd need to change to three phase.

Luckily we do have the option of changing the supply to three phase if we need it, as the underground cable coming in is three phase, it's just set up to only use one phase at the moment. I've thought about getting the meter changed so we can use all three phases but I'm reasonably convinced we can manage OK on the supply we have, as long as I take care with the maximum loads we have on overnight and keep the total to no more than the 15kVA limit.
We are good, checked last year before upgrade and had it running at over 90A since. :) 21kW+ if memory serves.
19.7kW PV SE, VI, HM, EN & DW
Ripple 7kW WT & Gen to date 19MWh
42kWh LFPO4 storage
95kWh Heater storage
12kWh 210ltr HWT.
73kWh HI5
Deep insulation, air leak ct'd home
Zoned GCH & Hive 2
WBSx2
Low energy bulbs
Veg patches & fruit trees
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Re: Storage Heaters

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I am more of a draught Guinness drinking person.
Don’t know much about drinking stuff from bottles. There is an advert on one of the T.V. movie channels that shows a bloke storing wine bottles in an under ground bunker. Cant see any storage heaters in his bunker.
What affect will heating the bottles at one end have on your Wine store. :(
Are the bottles put in the rack in proportion / position to the amount of heat / cooling required.
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ALAN/ALAN D wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 9:43 am I am more of a draught Guinness drinking person.
Don’t know much about drinking stuff from bottles. There is an advert on one of the T.V. movie channels that shows a bloke storing wine bottles in an under ground bunker. Cant see any storage heaters in his bunker.
What affect will heating the bottles at one end have on your Wine store. :(
Are the bottles put in the rack in proportion / position to the amount of heat / cooling required.
Good question and tbh I've not noticed 🤔. Will try one soon though to confirm!
19.7kW PV SE, VI, HM, EN & DW
Ripple 7kW WT & Gen to date 19MWh
42kWh LFPO4 storage
95kWh Heater storage
12kWh 210ltr HWT.
73kWh HI5
Deep insulation, air leak ct'd home
Zoned GCH & Hive 2
WBSx2
Low energy bulbs
Veg patches & fruit trees
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