John Oliver on corporate ‘net zero’ proposals: ‘We cannot offset our way out of climate change’

[Mr Gus]

No, I understand (& thats without reading your reply yet) ..but i feel it will be pushed that way based on London thonking & market prices for land elsewhere & foisted, whether scotland wanted it or not.

The rest of the uk population will go on doing everything to damaging excess without generational changes in understanding & care for conservation, unless big schemes are implemented to more than royal parks.
Flying into Berlin at that now closed airport gave me hope for that city, it is a mass of greenery from overhead, london is grey, grey, concrete grey & will remain a polluting source with no let up unless kicked into submission, & that doesnt mean paying billionaires hand over fist.

There is always rewilding talk for caledon forestry & it is logical, but cities need lungs & secured green growth rather than pie in the sky spurious technology led "carbon capture" designs that simply let us carry on driving big century 21 suv's down medieval oxen cart streets without interruption other than those "bloody cyclists"



(Good on you cycling mikey)

[Mr Gus]

@Fintray, please dont think me being snide Fin, If one region out is only deemed fit for hiding in shrubbery 400 miles from capital city land "perceived as the moneymaker, then its worse than I thought in terms of farming land & people via central govern-ment.

Replanting needs to be "big everywhere" & especially where it wont go underwater via climate change, but big business "perceived " land value will not play out fairly if it did, ..that's my overiding concern.

I often mull over forumites names, im guessing (cos I can't remember how it was listed elsewhere) ..near Aberdeen ?

My own area? big land grabbing housing estate building on low lying land that could easily be back under water based on sea rise modelling, a look at a topographic map of low lying land from the fens edge near Cambridge up maybe as far as hull, exposed & prone, of which planting could definitely help mitigate, but is part of the new pay no fee's if we cant get your field approved for new estates "schtick" ..such is the extent of city clearance for more profitable people that the local council are even trying to flog land that may well be tidal for a quick buck & potential expensive catastrophe down the road.

The fens were sripped & cleared for ploughing, & the only new planting seems to be to accelerate flooding for the great fen project, putting land underwater left to them by a farming family & grants to buy more since.

The only significant tree coverage to me is along defunct railway embankment & unsuitable land dating back to the last ice age, if a council owned farm or two were replanted that would barely account for the masses of trees ripped up for east anglian road upgrades (A14 & the immediate area) no significant replanting since completed, ..likely "too expensive" regardless of the sense in pollution absorption at point of creation making sense, green corridors for migration & diversity ..no common sense nor owner but a lot of destruction & buck passing.

Time to plant en masse is being lost as climate problems arise & make survival of a hardy tree problematic, so the govt will view clate shift worse in the south & more stable in the north as an excuse to put it upon others.

The heat island effect of a city wont go away by planting up north but the sq footage price n' profit in polluting cities of a tree canopy will be pushed elsewhere, because

[Fintray]

@Fintray, please dont think me being snide Fin, If one region out is only deemed fit for hiding in shrubbery 400 miles from capital city land "perceived as the moneymaker, then its worse than I thought in terms of farming land & people via central govern-ment.

Mr Gus, I'm just pulling your leg, but rewilding parts of Scotland would be a good idea on several fronts.

[Mr Gus]

I thought as much, otherwise wouldn't have risked the "milk" bit.
Howrver it hopefully made it clearer of the likely way our govt would look at it & rationalise saving london money at cost to elsewhere, precisely why I have said in the past, london / big cities, if you use the most energy build a nuclear p/station on your own doorstep & the waste storage beneath parliment.

[Moxi]

I think we could, and should, do similar in Wales - replacing low value pine plantations with mixed deciduous trees. Many would argue that its not commercially viable but ithas been shown that using narrow haul paths to allow for lumber recovery that this sort of woodland "farming" is viable.

Just because it doesn't meet the current "big" industrialised practices for lumber harvesting doesn't mean we should stay as we are.

Industry process can and do change and Wales is blessed with a lot of poor grade grazing land and pine plantations that could otherwise be excellent diverse high-quality woodland with cattle and bore grazing below the canopy.

Moxi