How is garage forecourt fuel supply round your way?

[spread-tee]

If our govt were actually/really/genuinely committed to carbon reduction they would sieze this as an opportunity to move things forward (why let a crisis go to waste?)
I remember in December 1973 or 4 one of our friends failed to attend our wedding because of the fuel crisis. Everyone else managed to get there, including a lad from the N of Scotland.
Back then we got issued with rationing coupons (I think it was that "crisis") and several of us felt it was done wrong. Instead of coupons just for car-owners and a threat of prosecution if you used them to fill a different car, they should have been issued to all adults and been tradeable. Like farmers' milk quotas were a few decades later. (I don't think the petrol rationing was actually put into operation, the last time we came across our book I think it was unused.)

That way car-less people paying a premium to use public transport (and not increasing fuel demand / carbon emissions by much) or putting their own calories into commuting by bike wouldn't be shut out, but could be rewarded, i.e. gain, by selling their carbon vouchers on the open market to people who wanted to buy them. The same could apply now - it would be much easier in the modern electronic age - and EV owners could also cash in the premium they have paid by being early adopters by selling on what are in effect their their carbon credits.
A

Hear hear,

the Green Party have been trying to sell this idea for quite a long time now, TEQs not just for road fuel but all energy. Something similar is going to have to be put into place sometime as resources get scarce, if we just leave it to the market which seems so popular in many quarters, the rich carry on as normal and the poor starve.

Desp

[Ken]

Interesting, how is gas used for leccy production subsidised ?

[Bugtownboy]

If our govt were actually/really/genuinely committed to carbon reduction they would sieze this as an opportunity to move things forward (why let a crisis go to waste?)
I remember in December 1973 or 4 one of our friends failed to attend our wedding because of the fuel crisis. Everyone else managed to get there, including a lad from the N of Scotland.
Back then we got issued with rationing coupons (I think it was that "crisis") and several of us felt it was done wrong. Instead of coupons just for car-owners and a threat of prosecution if you used them to fill a different car, they should have been issued to all adults and been tradeable. Like farmers' milk quotas were a few decades later. (I don't think the petrol rationing was actually put into operation, the last time we came across our book I think it was unused.)

That way car-less people paying a premium to use public transport (and not increasing fuel demand / carbon emissions by much) or putting their own calories into commuting by bike wouldn't be shut out, but could be rewarded, i.e. gain, by selling their carbon vouchers on the open market to people who wanted to buy them. The same could apply now - it would be much easier in the modern electronic age - and EV owners could also cash in the premium they have paid by being early adopters by selling on what are in effect their their carbon credits.
A

Hear hear,

the Green Party have been trying to sell this idea for quite a long time now, TEQs not just for road fuel but all energy. Something similar is going to have to be put into place sometime as resources get scarce, if we just leave it to the market which seems so popular in many quarters, the rich carry on as normal and the poor starve.

Desp

I really don’t think it can be done through taxation - everyone is going to be affected by AGW, everyone should have the same responsibility to reduce Carbon.

Carbon credits, or TEQ’s, distributed equally amongst the population (and ‘special’ business ones) feels the most equitable.

Whether one country can do it on its own, dunno ?

[Mart]

Interesting, how is gas used for leccy production subsidised ?

If it's FF nat gas, then it's subsidised by not reflecting all the externality costs such as AGW. That lowers the price, boost sales and benefits the oil and gas industry (as well as their customers in the short term).

[Mr Gus]

Whistles...

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fuel ... partnerize

PAYWALL...
One of Britain’s biggest oil refineries is teetering on the brink of collapse, piling further potential pressure on crisis-riven petrol stations.

The Stanlow oil refinery in Ellesmere Port, which supplies about a sixth of Britain’s road fuel, is in urgent talks with HM Revenue & Customs over hundreds of millions of pounds it has to start repaying this week unless it can agree a new deal.

Britain’s second largest refinery is owned by the billionaire Ruia brothers Shashi and Ravi through their company Essar Oil UK, which has been under huge financial strain during the pandemic.

The company took advantage of the government’s pandemic VAT deferral scheme last year to the tune of £356 million. Earlier this year, it secured more breathing space to pay

So looks like they've had multiple payments BIG ones where others are told to bog off & that "culling / wheat n' chaff scenarios are good for "industry"

[Mr Gus]

NB, this thread for comments from all & sundry...
https://www.hotukdeals.com/discussions/ ... d-comments

Some blaming media, some social media for the fuel storm.

Incidentally, no-one ever mentions driving past a closed for refuelling petrol station as a normal part of the process with regards to H&S whilst a big old tanker is in the place accessing those volatile tanks.

It happens as a norm for the industry, yet twitchy so & so's are seeing it like a doom laden sky prophecy of a passing visible comet
Social media misdirection does have a lot to answer for, anyone know how a recent new uk tv news channel is playing it out?

I sincerely hope its not an introduction of messrs, fan, fuel & flame in the studio.

[Mr Gus]

The wife has pointed out that this is also the time when a lot of small battery limited mileage hybrid divers will likely be cursing their choice too.

I doubt it will result in a decrease in advertising spend in the media from the likes of Toyota & such.

https://www.drivingelectric.com/mitsubi ... phev/range
28 miles on battery lugging all that weight? ..i'm not laughing, honest.

[Stinsy]

Interesting, how is gas used for leccy production subsidised ?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... commission

(I'm not one to normally share a Gruniad article, there are plenty of other sources of similar info if you prefer.)

[Bugtownboy]

The wife has pointed out that this is also the time when a lot of small battery limited mileage hybrid divers will likely be cursing their choice too.

I doubt it will result in a decrease in advertising spend in the media from the likes of Toyota & such.

https://www.drivingelectric.com/mitsubi ... phev/range
28 miles on battery lugging all that weight? ..i'm not laughing, honest.

Oh, come on. That’s three average journeys with a bit to spare. Once the crisis deepens, they’ll be laughing

https://www.smarttransport.org.uk/news/ ... ions-range

[Oldgreybeard]

My wife had a vague moment yesterday, commenting that the nearest filling station was now closed, as it had run out of fuel. I had to remind her that she's owned a Zoe for several months now, so fuel is a something she never needs to worry about again.

As a two EV household I will admit to feeling a little smug about the whole thing, except that all the crazy panic buying is having an impact on people that must have fuel in order to do their jobs. As the landlady in my local pub suggested on Friday, she could do with someone creating a story about there being a beer shortage, as a bit of panic buying would help her profits no end.