Cybertruck seized in Manchester

[Stinsy]

Yeah - its actually the same platform as the Hummer EV, hence the 200kWh battery and the >4 ton weight. But incredibly it's actually bigger than the Hummer. Someone decided the Hummer wasn't quite large enough apparently.

It's all getting a bit ridiculous isn't it.

So long as the biggest most ridiculous car you can buy is electric I don’t mind!

A proportion of the public are never going to buy LEAF/Zoe style EVs…

The weird thing is that BEV'ing a big fuel inefficient vehicle, will actually reduce emissions more, than a small one. Of course that raises the question about the need for super large vehicles like the US demand for full size pick ups (unlike our mid size, but tbh, they've grown massively, from my days as PU fan in the early 90's). But horses for courses I suppose.

For scale, here are some pics I took in October of a CT, with a Tesla 3 for scale. The first pic is a bit misleading as the 3 is in the foreground, but the second and third were taken square on to show how much the CT overhung the 3 at front and back. Apologies for blurry pic 2.










There was also a F-150 Lightning and a Rivian R1T full sized PU's, but they looked a bit bigger, due to the American style high front ends, with 'hoods' about shoulder height.

Exactly.

A V8 pickup doing 30k miles a year being swapped for an EV makes a massive impact on the environment. Some old dear swapping her 1.0L Fiesta that does 5k miles a year for a LEAF makes a minuscule impact.

My family needs a big car because we are a family of 5 who like camping holidays in the UK. There really isn't much that suits our needs. I'd like a Superb-style mahoosive estate or an American-style SUV with 2-2-3 seating arrangement. But nothing to-date floats my boat.

It really does grate on me when people moan about big EVs. Their comments are tinged with jealousy. And electrifying personal transport is the aim, we won't get there by only producing teeny local runabouts and shopping cars. EVs need to be aspirational and they need to fill every niche.

[Moxi]

So long as the biggest most ridiculous car you can buy is electric I don’t mind!

A proportion of the public are never going to buy LEAF/Zoe style EVs…

So its ok to break the law as long as its in pursuit of an electric vehicle - sorry I find that comment remarkably naïve - the story was about someone driving an illegal vehicle in Britain, it wasn't a critique on the merits or otherwise of the Tesla cyber truck and no one was "slagging" of a persons choice of car just an individuals efforts to circumvent the law.

Moxi

Don't be silly!

I said nothing about breaking the law. Please read the thread.

I dont think I am being silly Stinsy, the whole thread is all about someone breaking the law with an illegal vehicle, but in your responses you wrote

"I'm not in favour of people slagging off the car choices of others. Particularly when those cars are BEVs. If someone wants a big car, they should go ahead and buy one, it's their money. We are a free country, not (yet) some sort of authoritarian communist regime where everyone is only allowed the bare minimum."

So if by that statement you were not condoning the individuals actions, what were you meaning?

Moxi

[Mart]

Gone off on a bit of a tangent, as two things are bugging me.

1. I used to go to American car shows in the late 80's / early 90's, and I recall being shocked at the sheer size of the US full size PU's that were there, be they F-150's, Chevy Silverado 1500, or Ram 1500.

2. About a year or so back, I was driving behind a new(ish) F-150 in Cardiff, and thinking 'that's big, but not as shocking as I seem to recall'. Went to the same park I was going, and parked up near the front. I parked, then happened to walk past it a few minutes later, and the driver was chatting with the owner of a Ford Ranger PU, parked nose to nose. I think they must have been meeting up. And whilst the F-150 was bigger, it wasn't that much bigger than the Ranger.

That played on my mind, was I miss-remembering how big they seemed compared to UK vehicles of the time.

So, struggling to get details to compare, as searchs for UK Ford Rangers want to offer me US pics. And if memery serves, the very first models in the UK, were (I think) Sierra nosed.

Anyways, looked up the Toyota Hilux for reference, and was a bit shocked at how much the mid sized PU's have grown.

So, the original (1968) was 4,300–4,690 mm long, 1,610 mm wide, and 1,560–1,565 mm high.
The 1990 model had grown to length: 4,725–5,040 mm, width: 1,650–1,690 mm, height: 1,555–1,810 mm,
Now it's 5,130-5,255 mm long x 1,835 mm wide x 1,810 mm high.

For comparison, the full sized Toyota PU the Tundra, is now about 5,900mm long, 2,040mm wide, and 1,980mm high.

Things are getting big!



Just for fun, here's a little factoid that may shock many:

Ever driven down a motorway or dual carraigeway with roadworks, and the traffic is squeezed into narrow lanes. Sometimes there is a sign saying that wide vehicles aren't allowed in one of the lanes. We tend to assume this means lorries, and I've got a feeling the sign/measurement hasn't been updated. It typically states 6ft 6in max.

But did you know that lots of vehicles should no longer be using that lane (technically), such as Range Rovers, or Transit vans. Our Tesla Y is only 60mm narrower.

Not just me that's getting wider as time goes on.

[Moxi]

As you say Mart its not them getting smaller its the rest of the car fleet getting bigger, there was another article recently about car parks being re-lined to accommodate the ever larger "average" car foot print and how its going to lose councils revenue that they will have to replace by increase fees for the remaining car park spaces.

We looked at the Kia EV 9 recently with a view to one becoming the family ride for us the kids and the three large dogs it was going well until we realised it was too long to properly fit on the drive!

Moxi

[chris_n]

On the subject of cars getting bigger, the first thing that strikes me as I get off the ferry when returning to UK is how tiny and crowded UK roads are. Driving from Austria through Germany and Netherlands on mainly but not exclusively motorway then getting spat off the ferry onto the M62 is an eye opener. The lanes are much narrower and everything feels very crowded as the cars are all in such close proximity, it get no better as I head north.

[Stinsy]

So its ok to break the law as long as its in pursuit of an electric vehicle - sorry I find that comment remarkably naïve - the story was about someone driving an illegal vehicle in Britain, it wasn't a critique on the merits or otherwise of the Tesla cyber truck and no one was "slagging" of a persons choice of car just an individuals efforts to circumvent the law.

Moxi

Don't be silly!

I said nothing about breaking the law. Please read the thread.

I dont think I am being silly Stinsy, the whole thread is all about someone breaking the law with an illegal vehicle, but in your responses you wrote

"I'm not in favour of people slagging off the car choices of others. Particularly when those cars are BEVs. If someone wants a big car, they should go ahead and buy one, it's their money. We are a free country, not (yet) some sort of authoritarian communist regime where everyone is only allowed the bare minimum."

So if by that statement you were not condoning the individuals actions, what were you meaning?

Moxi

Come on mate. Get over yourself!

For the record, you are being silly. You've gone on the offensive about something you imagine I have written on this thread.

Maybe you've got other things going on in your life and have chosen to take it out on me. Maybe you're just being a dick for the sake of being a dick. Either way. Just stop.

[Moxi]

Don't be silly!

I said nothing about breaking the law. Please read the thread.

I dont think I am being silly Stinsy, the whole thread is all about someone breaking the law with an illegal vehicle, but in your responses you wrote

"I'm not in favour of people slagging off the car choices of others. Particularly when those cars are BEVs. If someone wants a big car, they should go ahead and buy one, it's their money. We are a free country, not (yet) some sort of authoritarian communist regime where everyone is only allowed the bare minimum."

So if by that statement you were not condoning the individuals actions, what were you meaning?

Moxi

Come on mate. Get over yourself!

For the record, you are being silly. You've gone on the offensive about something you imagine I have written on this thread.

Maybe you've got other things going on in your life and have chosen to take it out on me. Maybe you're just being a dick for the sake of being a dick. Either way. Just stop.

Thats just plain offensive I havent called you names and I have simply asked you to explain what you meant as |my interpretation was that you were supportive of law breaking, in return you have become rude and abusive - I take that to mean that you said something that you are now embarrassed about and so you need to default to gutter behaviour.

Dreadful behaviour

Moxi

[dan_b]

This video comparison of the original Mk1s of various well known vehicles vs. their contemporary equivalents makes the point rather nicely, it even includes the F150.

https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasf ... are_button

I think the current Mini Countryman (small family CUV) is larger than the original Mk1 Range Rover (large 4X4 SUV).

Of course funny to also reflect on the fact that the original Range Rover actually was quite a narrow vehicle - it was designed so that the farmer could drive it through his farm gates and down the country lanes without an issue. As you say the modern equivalent is now technically too large for width-restricted single track lanes!

Gone off on a bit of a tangent, as two things are bugging me.

[Moxi]

The mini comparison brings back fond memories of being sat at traffic lights looking out the drivers side window at the wheel studs of the lorry in the lane next to me - great little car but I would be terrified to drive one in todays traffic - the outer wing steel was a little bit thicker than gossamer and I think the crumple zone was designed to be the driver and passenger knees

185 mamba tyres on mine so it went round roundabouts as though it were on rails !

Moxi

[Stinsy]

I dont think I am being silly Stinsy, the whole thread is all about someone breaking the law with an illegal vehicle, but in your responses you wrote

"I'm not in favour of people slagging off the car choices of others. Particularly when those cars are BEVs. If someone wants a big car, they should go ahead and buy one, it's their money. We are a free country, not (yet) some sort of authoritarian communist regime where everyone is only allowed the bare minimum."

So if by that statement you were not condoning the individuals actions, what were you meaning?

Moxi

Come on mate. Get over yourself!

For the record, you are being silly. You've gone on the offensive about something you imagine I have written on this thread.

Maybe you've got other things going on in your life and have chosen to take it out on me. Maybe you're just being a dick for the sake of being a dick. Either way. Just stop.

Thats just plain offensive I havent called you names and I have simply asked you to explain what you meant as |my interpretation was that you were supportive of law breaking, in return you have become rude and abusive - I take that to mean that you said something that you are now embarrassed about and so you need to default to gutter behaviour.

Dreadful behaviour

Moxi

Go troll someone else.