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Joeboy wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:54 am
The question now is what price can Colin Deng ship me one from China for? I'll measure the potential underbonnet space on the current LB tray when.i get home. Maybe make up a flat wooden template to the mm and see what is available to fit in the space with the most recent cells. I remember there was a step up in the capacity across one year in the LF280's as design improved. Hopefully it's been similar on these cells too. Be interested to see how far above 100Ah we can get. If I get this right there should be zero impact on interior space for day to day living, more deck chairs! :D
There are 12v kits with 4x280K Cells as well. Why limit yourself to 180Ah :D Or even this from Colins website
300 aH https://www.bixellpower.com/product/bix ... h-function
I think this is more similar to a lead acid battery, but no sizes
280aH https://www.bixellpower.com/product/bix ... pplication
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Colin Deng wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 9:15 am For the picture that Joe attached
The size is 330*170*220mm
With cylindrical cells, it can be 12v 180ah
With prismatic cells, it can be 12v 150ah

More capacity than before now
Thank you Colin, thank you Andy. I'll be home next week. Weather permitting I'll get a precise measurement of available space and we'll go from there. I am hoping I can extend out past current LB battery tray limits in a useable direction. It would be great to get up to 180Ah storage into that space.
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richbee wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 10:05 am
Joeboy wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:54 am The penny just dropped for me. These RV/marine Lifepo4 batteries are 4 prismatic 3.2V cell packs, with a bms, inside a waterproof enclosure that looks like a LA battery.


And it's 1.28kWh of stored energy. That immediately tells me that fridge, cooker and heater will be run off gas in offgrid scenario. Enough power though to run, pumps, lights and media. Something like a 1kW inverter would do to complete the system. 500W wall was hit too often in the Bongo.

Ecoflow x 2 bifacial (390W total) £180
2 x Y splice £12
Bulkhead penetrator £15
Victron 100/20 with load control £68
100Ah lifepo4 LB £146
1kW inverter £60
DC cables £50
I'm definitely with you on the lifepo4 battery instead of lead acid - will be incorporated into van 2.

I do think you'd comfortably be able to run a fridge with the setup you're talking about.
I've got 80w solar, plus 110Ah lead acid & a dometic portable cdf26 compressor fridge - never had a problem being off grid for up to 4 days running lights, chargers, fridge
That would be good. Will need a wee rewire but all is possible. On my old 80Ah LA LB in the bongo I'd be lucky to see a 24hr run with a 100W flexible panel and a pwm controller. I think it was a waco 40ltr top loading drop in fridge. I'd have to do some peak spike checks on the current van fridge and it's 24hr consumption to see if it's worthwhile. Easy enough on the ehu with a plug in meter.

Of course the difference in upgrade is vast. Going from 100W stick on heat affected panel, crap solar controller, 40Ah useable power store to 390W multi busbar vented panels, smart mppt controller and possibly 180Ah power store. That would indeed keep the ice cubes frozen. :twisted:
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Qualified. :D

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Two more dives tomorrow and hopefully a wreck dive over the weekend. Red Sea is absolutely incredible. 😲

Breaking strain of a kitkat here.

2× ecoworthy 195W bifacials £164.98 incl delivery bought (£15 discount voucher applied).

12 bus bars & 33% yield. :o
With the bifacial aspect and the efficiency of the Victron mppt it should be a potent small format harvesting combo into an energy dense storage unit...

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Well done on the diving qualification, it's a whole new way to empty the bank balance!


(just don't get into underwater photography as well as that's another level of cost...)
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Stig wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:23 pm Well done on the diving qualification, it's a whole new way to empty the bank balance!


(just don't get into underwater photography as well as that's another level of cost...)
Fair enough! Thank you for the advice. I'll be needing a new lifestyle/pass time as I'm a few years early retired and miss the buzz of engineering offshore and travel. I think I can see a plan that combines the van with European dive sites and swmbo flying out. We'll see how it all plays out. Plan the dive, Dive the plan man... 8-)
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I can run these in series or parallel as both V & A are within the controller spec for either set up.

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For my purposes I'll run in parallel to keep the panels independent of each other. Been on too many tree branch shaded sites to have the whole show pulled down by an errant branch.

https://www.renogy.com/learn-series-and ... LgjlkM5pL6

This means (a teaching moment) that my Amps will increase. Handy reminder below.

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It also means Iin theory that i'd be using larger DC cables than if I ran the panels in series (in which case the Voltage would rise). As i wish for my two panels to output independently of each other my choice is parallel.

Going back to my panel chart I have a choice. My Voltage remains the same at a Voc of 23.7V while my Amps in parallel double from a max current of 9.85A to 19.7A.

This is close to the limit of the Victron 100/20 (20A max) but it is within spec. The short circuit Amp value for the panels is 10.5A or 21A in parallel so I'll make sure my cables are rated to at least 21A.

I've been reading up on the load output function on the Victron 100/20. I could save a few quid and go for the controller option that doesn't have that function but it's only a fiver difference so in this case I'll have the unit with the load option terminals and it can be a neat way to connect in the hypothetical 5V system leaving the heavy load gear to a T off inverter mounted close to the controller. This last for physical siting rather than load draw point.

The DC cables from Victron 100/20 to battery & inverter are a different story and I've not worked that out yet as to their size. They will be 12.8VDC with enough current being drawn to supply 1kW & 240VAC. I'll have to check the lowest VDC likely to be seen at the bottom of the Lifepo4 charge and spec cables from there rather that at 12.8VDC.

I hope the above isn't too boring but I like to plan these things through so i get it right at the first pass and it's nice to leave a wee learning read for others passing through. Feel free to rip into any glaring inconsistency. :D



Now that I've mentally committed to the wild freedom of parallel PV I'll need a couple of branch connectors to bring 4 cables down to two cables for the pass through of the RV monocoque.

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The beauty of doing it piano piano is that I can spend a few quid more only and a large section of the work will be complete and safe. I.E PV installed up top and power brought into the utility cupboard in the van and terminated at a DC breaker.

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The three items above were £34 and that combined with one carefully applied holesaw through the monocoque :shock: will get us inside the van and into the utility cupboard. I resisted the call of the super cheap versions as they'll see a fair bit of movement and UV. Hopefully I can fit the panels close enough to each other that I can hook them up without intermediate cables.

I'll need some aluminium flat bar & s/s bolts along with Hellerman UV resistant Ty wraps. Put all that together carefully and it should hopefullu be a fit & forget system.

Running total
£165 Bifacial 195W panels 2 of
£34 DC isolator, cable entry & Y's
£199

I'm £8 under my original estimate and got the DC isolator thrown in too. :twisted: Looking forward to seeing what a good rummage provides in the way of PV cable and mc4's back in the workshop. I have no real recollection of what we've got..

That's as much joined up thinking as I can do in one go. The wind has dropped so I'm away down to see if we can get a couple of shore dives in today. :xl:
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Congrats on the diving Quallie Joeboy, well done, glad you enjoy the new hobby and have jumped in at the deep end, as such.🤿

I had the attached in yesterday from the doctor, after an Echo scan.

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Not sure why she's so worried, i cant swim a stroke so would drown before heart failure :hysteria: :hysteria: :hysteria: :hysteria:
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resybaby wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2025 9:29 am Congrats on the diving Quallie Joeboy, well done, glad you enjoy the new hobby and have jumped in at the deep end, as such.🤿

I had the attached in yesterday from the doctor, after an Echo scan.

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Not sure why she's so worried, i cant swim a stroke so would drown before heart failure :hysteria: :hysteria: :hysteria: :hysteria:
One less thing to worry about! Turtles, rays, BIG eels, clowwn, lion and stonefish all seen yesterday and a coral festooned small wooden boat. All seen yesterday, last dive will.be tomorrow.
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Looking at DC side today and I'd need some serious cables to run a 1kW inverter. :shock:

Had a look and the 3way fridge runs at 125W consumption in 230Vac mode. 3kWh per day if no solar..

Well I'm not going to be specifying the system to run at that as I won't have physical battery space to meet the capacity req'd. Even on a 10hr sun Med day I'd be needing 1.75kWh. :o

I guess the spec will be dropped back to somewhere around a 700W inverter. TBH I could probably get away with 600W. I'll see what the cable calc says.

Edit- the cable calc says 25mm sq @ 600W and 35mm sq @ 750W. Both at 4mtr 1 way runs.

Massaging the figures to 750W inverter 3.5mtr run (one way) and 12.8V squeaks me through the door at 25mmsq cable.

https://www.fabhabs.com/dc-cable-sizing-calculator

I'm pretty happy with that. I can run the fridge up on gas to get cool and then maintain off the LB. I'll have a dig in about and see how it's wired to the 240V ehu and install a manual selector switch for offgrid.

Does anyone have experience on a decent inverter manufacturer? I'll go for 750W since the cable will support that size. At this size I can run a 500W electric heater (not for long), but at least if push comes to shove and we've run out of gas on a Winter time away we can knock the edge off until refilled.
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