Octopus Powerups

[Countrypaul]

No, even if yr meter has an export register and so is technically suitable (no idea if this is usually the case) they still need to allocate an export MPAN to it.

Many thanks Sharpener, I've sent an email to Octopus requesting an export MPAN, at least, I assume that is who I need to apply to for one?

Received reply from Octopus saying they could apply for an mpan number for me but only if I was on one of their export tariffs and in doing so I should have to relinquish the deemed 50% export! As I've just signed up with Intelligent Octopus Go, mainly due to the fixed six hour overnight feature, I am reluctant to change without embarking on a raft of calculations to establish any benefit. Our panels came online in March '18 so we just qualified for that scheme, even so the deemed 50% export has totalled £295 so far this year. I am keen to support the Savings sessions and the grid with export if possible but would draw the line if a financial loss results.
Can anyone advise please that by us not being on an export tariff with Octopus, mean we shall not be able to benefit from any export undertaken during the Savings sessions?
Apologies for seeming lack of understanding here.

If you have a "smart" meter it may well keep a tally of the amount you export, I know ours appears to. The problem may be that that can only give you the total since the meter was installed - whether you can use that to determine your approximate annual export may be dependant on when it was installed . Fairly easy if it was a winter month, but more difficult to get an accurate idea for other months.

[nowty]

Many thanks Sharpener, I've sent an email to Octopus requesting an export MPAN, at least, I assume that is who I need to apply to for one?

Received reply from Octopus saying they could apply for an mpan number for me but only if I was on one of their export tariffs and in doing so I should have to relinquish the deemed 50% export! As I've just signed up with Intelligent Octopus Go, mainly due to the fixed six hour overnight feature, I am reluctant to change without embarking on a raft of calculations to establish any benefit. Our panels came online in March '18 so we just qualified for that scheme, even so the deemed 50% export has totalled £295 so far this year. I am keen to support the Savings sessions and the grid with export if possible but would draw the line if a financial loss results.
Can anyone advise please that by us not being on an export tariff with Octopus, mean we shall not be able to benefit from any export undertaken during the Savings sessions?
Apologies for seeming lack of understanding here.

I would very much doubt that you be able to benefit from any export payment as you would effectively be being paid twice for the export deemed and actual).
You really need to know how much you actually export and do the calculations.

Even if you have a smart meter capable of measuring export it wont count unless you have the export MPAN number and also you need to have had that MPAN number allocated for a minimum amount of days (I think 10 days or might be 2 weeks) before its valid for the saving sessions. Its used to calculate both the baseline and the saving session, therefore if your regularly exporting at peak time on agile export, your baseline will be very challenging if the saving session is held over the same peak time period.

If you do have an export tariff, I think you will be paid twice as Octopus itself will be paid twice. Once from the income selling on your export and secondly from the national grid for the demand flexibility payments.

EDIT - I misunderstood Fintray's, comment, and agree with Fintray, you cannot get deemed export and benefit from the saving sessions by exporting.
But you should get double bubble if opted out of FIT exports and on an export tariff.

[Adokforme]

Received reply from Octopus saying they could apply for an mpan number for me but only if I was on one of their export tariffs and in doing so I should have to relinquish the deemed 50% export! As I've just signed up with Intelligent Octopus Go, mainly due to the fixed six hour overnight feature, I am reluctant to change without embarking on a raft of calculations to establish any benefit. Our panels came online in March '18 so we just qualified for that scheme, even so the deemed 50% export has totalled £295 so far this year. I am keen to support the Savings sessions and the grid with export if possible but would draw the line if a financial loss results.
Can anyone advise please that by us not being on an export tariff with Octopus, mean we shall not be able to benefit from any export undertaken during the Savings sessions?
Apologies for seeming lack of understanding here.

I would very much doubt that you be able to benefit from any export payment as you would effectively be being paid twice for the export deemed and actual).
You really need to know how much you actually export and do the calculations.

Even if you have a smart meter capable of measuring export it wont count unless you have the export MPAN number and also you need to have had that MPAN number allocated for a minimum amount of days (I think 10 days or might be 2 weeks) before its valid for the saving sessions. Its used to calculate both the baseline and the saving session, therefore if your regularly exporting at peak time on agile export, your baseline will be very challenging if the saving session is held over the same peak time period.

If you do have an export tariff, I think you will be paid twice as Octopus itself will be paid twice. Once from the income selling on your export and secondly from the national grid for the demand flexibility payments.

Thanks everyone, it's very much appreciated.
Income from paid export this year would have been £123 as opposed to the deemed of £295. Seems I must be consuming something over 50% of PV generated.
I hadn't appreciated I could retain IOG for import and then combine with Outgoing Octopus for a double bonus! Is the export figure of 8p or 15p paid for all export at any time of day or is it just in certain varying time windows?
We've 30+ kWh's of battery storage and a V2H installation scheduled for 4th Dec so possibly could run domestic supply off of that while using batts entirely for export. Sounds to good to be true!
Presumably, relinquishing deemed export is a one way ticket?

[nowty]

I hadn't appreciated I could retain IOG for import and then combine with Outgoing Octopus for a double bonus! Is the export figure of 8p or 15p paid for all export at any time of day or is it just in certain varying time windows?

The export on IOG has recently been up'd from 4.1p to 15p fixed (anytime), I think to compete with British Gas and Scottish Power who up'd theirs.

If your on GO, the export has been up'd from 4.1p to 8p fixed export (anytime).

[Fintray]

Presumably, relinquishing deemed export is a one way ticket?

It is.

[Adokforme]

I hadn't appreciated I could retain IOG for import and then combine with Outgoing Octopus for a double bonus! Is the export figure of 8p or 15p paid for all export at any time of day or is it just in certain varying time windows?

The export on IOG has recently been up'd from 4.1p to 15p fixed (anytime), I think to compete with British Gas and Scottish Power who up'd theirs.

If your on GO, the export has been up'd from 4.1p to 8p fixed export (anytime).

Many thanks for clarification Nowty. Look like the batts are going to get plenty of exercise in their time remaining!

[Joeboy]

It did make me wonder that over a two day high wind event there has not been a Octoplus trigger? Just a passing thought.

Ah, flip it through 180 when turbines are fallow and there will be an event, maybe.

[nowty]

It did make me wonder that over a two day high wind event there has not been a Octoplus trigger? Just a passing thought.

We had a very high utilization of that wind power, not much surplus to give away.

This weekend might be different, lower demand and some quite lengthy consistent windy periods coming up.

[Joeboy]

An unexpected PB yesterday and into today, 19.5hrs of IO slots in a 22hr window.

[Stinsy]

At what point do you think Octopus will make changes and put a stop to rampant abuse of the IO tariff?